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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: izik99 on February 05, 2013, 04:21:57 PM

Title: Elbrus, The Binding Blade
Post by: izik99 on February 05, 2013, 04:21:57 PM
2 Questions:
Is it legal in a nonblack EDH, the back is black?

Can it be a commander?
Title: Re: Elbrus, The Binding Blade
Post by: Seth5000 on February 05, 2013, 04:24:57 PM
Quote from: izik99 on February 05, 2013, 04:21:57 PM
2 Questions:
Is it legal in a nonblack EDH, the back is black?

Can it be a commander?
No to being a commander and idk if for the first one
Title: Re: Elbrus, The Binding Blade
Post by: Imdowd80 on February 05, 2013, 04:26:10 PM
 {Elbrus, the Binding Blade} no the color due to him being a black creature he can't be in a nonblack EDH. Even though he is colorless to start with. if the flipped side of a card doesn't match the color identity of the commander then they can't be used.
Title: Re: Elbrus, The Binding Blade
Post by: Keyeto on February 05, 2013, 04:36:52 PM
Color identity for cards includes all instances of any colors on the card, whether its on another face, hybrid colors, in the text box, etc. Elbrus has to be in a black commander deck, since it is considered black. It cannot be used as a commander, since it is not considered a legendary creature when played, but an artifact.

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Title: Re: Elbrus, The Binding Blade
Post by: izik99 on February 05, 2013, 05:45:45 PM
Since the back has a CMC of zero, and it doesn't say its a color like for example {Pact of Negation}, how is it actually black?
Title: Re: Elbrus, The Binding Blade
Post by: Keyeto on February 05, 2013, 05:51:15 PM
Originally, it was just the mana cost if a card that determined its color identity(and colors in its text box). However, with the release of double faces cards, commander format needed a ruling for these situations. The ruling is this:

903.4c The back face of a double-faced card (see rule 711) is included when determining a card's color identity.