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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Deathseide on February 04, 2013, 04:47:37 PM

Title: Ovinomancer, Splinter Twin, ETB Triggers
Post by: Deathseide on February 04, 2013, 04:47:37 PM
Just wishing to resolve a bit of an argument a friend of mine and I are having over a creature which says you have to bounce 3 lands or sacrifice it when it comes into play.
Giving a scenario in which the creature had been played and the effect cost met, then a {splinter twin} was cast on the creature.
The token copy has the same cost effect as the original card, yet now has haste,

My question is this.
Can the copy token created by the {splinter twin} use it's tap ability before you have to pay the bounce or sacrifice condition?
Title: Re: Sac priority.
Post by: Wally on February 04, 2013, 04:50:48 PM
Can you link the card in question? That will help greatly at getting a resolution to your problem :)
Title: Re: Sac priority.
Post by: prayos on February 04, 2013, 04:52:35 PM
The land bounce is part of the condition of it staying in play. I would say that you'd have to pay that before you can tap it.  But I might be wrong.
Title: Re: Sac priority.
Post by: Keyeto on February 04, 2013, 04:59:00 PM
Is it {Ovinomancer}?
If so, yes, your token can use the tap ability in response to the ETB trigger. This will, destroy your token in the process, of course.
Title: Re: Sac priority.
Post by: prayos on February 04, 2013, 05:03:40 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on February 04, 2013, 04:59:00 PM
Is it {Ovinomancer}?
If so, yes, your token can use the tap ability in response to the ETB trigger. This will, destroy your token in the process, of course.

Yeah, looking at it, that would be a triggered ability on the stack, and you can tap in response.  Good call Keyeto.
Title: Re: Sac priority.
Post by: Imdowd80 on February 04, 2013, 05:41:19 PM
but its an ETB, so once it enters doesnt that cost have to be met? or is this a stack thing, where casting resolves creature ETB, then the ETB effect is put on the stack, giving you time to tap a creature with haste.
Title: Re: Sac priority.
Post by: Keyeto on February 04, 2013, 05:54:19 PM
Quote from: Imdowd80 on February 04, 2013, 05:41:19 PM
but its an ETB, so once it enters doesnt that cost have to be met? or is this a stack thing, where casting resolves creature ETB, then the ETB effect is put on the stack, giving you time to tap a creature with haste.

It's a stack thing. See rule 603.3 for how to deal with triggers, and 603.6a for more on ETB effects.
Title: Re: Sac priority.
Post by: Deathseide on February 04, 2013, 06:53:38 PM
Your welcome, and thank you all for clarifying it
Title: Re: Ovinomancer, Splinter Twin, ETB Triggers
Post by: Coffee Vampire on February 04, 2013, 10:45:28 PM
Great answer, testset...I would +1 you but it hasn't been 24 hours. Lmao