I can't decide on which is better, what do you guys think?
{Vines of Vastwood} or {Ranger's Guile}???
Vines if your running only one set of cards.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on February 03, 2013, 07:47:29 PM
I can't decide on which is better, what do you guys think?
{Vines of Vastwood} or {Ranger's Guile}???
Depends on the situation really, but the +4/+4 kicker is pretty nice for an extra mana
Quote from: Hays413 on February 03, 2013, 07:49:26 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on February 03, 2013, 07:47:29 PM
I can't decide on which is better, what do you guys think?
{Vines of Vastwood} or {Ranger's Guile}???
Depends on the situation really, but the +4/+4 kicker is pretty nice for an extra mana
That's what I was thinking, I just need some protection for my guys in my Modern Elves, if I can dodge a little more removal it will help a lot, and the pump is nice.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on February 03, 2013, 07:51:04 PM
Quote from: Hays413 on February 03, 2013, 07:49:26 PM
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on February 03, 2013, 07:47:29 PM
I can't decide on which is better, what do you guys think?
{Vines of Vastwood} or {Ranger's Guile}???
Depends on the situation really, but the +4/+4 kicker is pretty nice for an extra mana
That's what I was thinking, I just need some protection for my guys in my Modern Elves, if I can dodge a little more removal it will help a lot, and the pump is nice.
Actually now that I think about it, vines is the easy choice here. Forget the other one
It depends how big your guys are. Lifegain is awesome
Anyone mind lending some trimming advice? I'm trying to fit in 3 {Vines of Vastwood} mainboard and can't figure out the last 2 cards to cut, it's in Modern under "InfinitiveElves".
Quote from: Wally on February 03, 2013, 08:11:53 PM
It depends how big your guys are. Lifegain is awesome
Lifegain?
Vines seems like the obvious choice for me. In essence, it's a {Titanic Growth} with more bang for your buck (mana).
Definitely go vines if pump isnt your priority, and all you need is protection.. Offers protection and a 1 mana 4/4 so its why you want and way more
Quote from: NyghtHawk on February 03, 2013, 08:51:10 PM
Quote from: Wally on February 03, 2013, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: Hays413 on February 03, 2013, 08:32:02 PM
Quote from: Wally on February 03, 2013, 08:11:53 PM
It depends how big your guys are. Lifegain is awesome
Sorry, from
Lifegain?
{Sheltering Word}
Nobody was talking about that card?
I think he was just trying to suggest another card to give hexproof.
And I'd definitely go with the vines. Compared to the other card, it essentially has a {Giant Growth} attached to it.
If probably go vines, I feel that +4/+4is just too good to pass up.
I agree. The only advantage to guile is 1 mana less. But since you are playing elves, I am guessing you are in no shortage of mana! ;)
If we're talking about he proof go with the guile. Vines doesn't even give hexproof😆. In fact it gives something even better than hexproof.
Quote from: scarsabrex on February 04, 2013, 01:06:17 AM
If we're talking about he proof go with the guile. Vines doesn't even give hexproof😆. In fact it gives something even better than hexproof.
You mean Hexproof? Lol, that is the exact errata for Hexproof. It just didn't exist back then.
EDIT: Wow, I retract my previous statement, it is not Hexproof! What the heck? What's the difference?
How is it not the same..?
Before hexproof was a keyword.
Anywho vines protects you from {Glaring Spotlight} and such. I guess it's the only difference.
Its kind of unfair that the spotlight doesnt work, because it just hadnt had a name yet. There should be a ruling that fixed this, because the creature truly does have hexproof under the vines
I feel like its kind of a "Meh!" deal.
There are better ways to deal with hexproof than the spotlight. Albeit the spotlight is effective just rather limited in use.
Quote from: Fenster on February 04, 2013, 05:42:37 AM
Before hexproof was a keyword.
Anywho vines protects you from {Glaring Spotlight} and such. I guess it's the only difference.
Wrong
Quote from: MisterJH on February 04, 2013, 06:00:38 AM
Its kind of unfair that the spotlight doesnt work, because it just hadnt had a name yet. There should be a ruling that fixed this, because the creature truly does have hexproof under the vines
And also wrong they go back and errata cards to have hexproof if they do in fact have it. {thrun the last troll} {asceticism} {troll ascetic} etc.
The difference is if you target an opponent's creature with your vines, the opponent can still not target it, and you still can. Giving it hexproof would go the other way around. Why is this better? Vines stops decks like kikki jiki, infect combo, and other creature based decks.
Quote from: scarsabrex on February 04, 2013, 10:53:42 AM
The difference is if you target an opponent's creature with your vines, the opponent can still not target it, and you still can...
Oh holy .poo.... I like that a lot!
Damn I didn't even think about that! That's beautiful!
that does make vines quite the card. This is barely relevant, but lingering in my mind after reading this thread is the fact that shroud prevents all forms of targeting. Meh