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Title: Seance sundial
Post by: Validan on February 05, 2012, 11:48:08 PM
will the card {seance} work with {sundial of the infinite} the same way {geist of saint traft} and {sudden disappearance} do? By that I mean do you keep them permanently or until the next end phase comes around?
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: BlackJester on February 05, 2012, 11:51:30 PM
Exactly the same.  Almost makes you want to build a WU deck around it, dontcha think?  ;)
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: Validan on February 05, 2012, 11:52:23 PM
I am building one XD all the pieces are coming together muahahahahaha
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: BadLuckIrish on February 05, 2012, 11:56:13 PM
Im confused tell me how this combo would work...
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: BlackJester on February 05, 2012, 11:58:13 PM
Excellent, excellent!  We need to pull together a list of cards that have "At end of turn" effects to abuse.  They are typically in Red though.
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: Validan on February 06, 2012, 12:48:56 AM
Agreed, I posted a rough list
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: BlackJester on February 06, 2012, 12:59:16 AM
Quote from: Validan on February 06, 2012, 12:48:56 AM
Agreed, I posted a rough list

I'm concocting a Causal one this minute.  ;)
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: Validan on February 06, 2012, 01:03:37 AM
Thing is it is a casual deck list but my friends like to no competitively play standard decks lol
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: BlackJester on February 06, 2012, 01:07:38 AM
Quote from: Validan on February 06, 2012, 01:03:37 AM
Thing is it is a casual deck list but my friends like to no competitively play standard decks lol
Well, if it's not intended to be competitive maybe it should be in Casual, even if the cards are all from Standard.
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: Validan on February 06, 2012, 01:10:23 AM
I kind of figured it would get done better input in standard :/ kinda torn
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: BlackJester on February 06, 2012, 01:13:26 AM
If you want fierce criticisms, leave it in Standard. 
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: Mentonin on February 06, 2012, 03:14:17 AM
How would it work? You would skip your beggining of end phase, but wouldnt it chech for the other end phase(your enemie's)?
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: BlackJester on February 06, 2012, 10:58:11 AM
Quote from: Mentonin on February 06, 2012, 03:14:17 AM
How would it work? You would skip your beggining of end phase, but wouldnt it chech for the other end phase(your enemie's)?
You wait for the exile trigger to go on the stack, then you end the turn. Remember, you can only do it on your turn.
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: Chaosquirrel on February 07, 2012, 04:29:51 PM
Quote from: Validan on February 05, 2012, 11:48:08 PM
will the card {seance} work with {sundial of the infinite} the same way {geist of saint traft} and {sudden disappearance} do? By that I mean do you keep them permanently or until the next end phase comes around?
You would keep the token until  your opponent's end step with {seance}. It states the next end step, since sundial can only be used on your turn you cannot stop your opponent's end step
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: Chaosquirrel on February 07, 2012, 04:31:54 PM
And as for {Geist of saint tract} and {sudden disappearance}, I thought a token ceased to exist if it left the battlefield?
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: Mentonin on February 07, 2012, 04:37:24 PM
Quote from: Chaosquirrel on February 07, 2012, 04:29:51 PM
Quote from: Validan on February 05, 2012, 11:48:08 PM
will the card {seance} work with {sundial of the infinite} the same way {geist of saint traft} and {sudden disappearance} do? By that I mean do you keep them permanently or until the next end phase comes around?
You would keep the token until  your opponent's end step with {seance}. It states the next end step, since sundial can only be used on your turn you cannot stop your opponent's end step
you won't skip your whole end step. You will let the token say: ok, this is the next end step, I'm gonna disappear. Then you end the turn exiling his effect of the stack and he won't check for the end step anymore since the NEXT end step has passed
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: cltrn81 on February 07, 2012, 04:48:21 PM
Seance has a one time trigger and the trigger that statrs to sacrifice it is not imprinted in the token.  Now {ball lightning} has "sacrifice this creature at the end step" on the card so this trigger will always be enacted...the token does not have this on the card so it stays forever once the first one is bypassed.
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: Thattallguy on February 10, 2012, 08:15:47 PM
So let me get this straight. The second part of {sudden disappearance} states at the beginning of the next end step. If the sundial is activated at the beginning of the end step that ability is on the stack and it just disappears due to sundials ability and since it is a one time effect it doesn't check during any turn after that? 
Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: BlackJester on February 10, 2012, 08:25:25 PM
Quote from: Thattallguy on February 10, 2012, 08:15:47 PM
So let me get this straight. The second part of {sudden disappearance} states at the beginning of the next end step. If the sundial is activated at the beginning of the end step that ability is on the stack and it just disappears due to sundials ability and since it is a one time effect it doesn't check during any turn after that?
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Title: Re: Seance sundial
Post by: Thattallguy on February 10, 2012, 09:38:35 PM
Sweet. I'll have to slap my buddy in the face with that one.