Ok if play say bump in the night then reverberate it and then my opponent negates the bump in the night when reverberate resolves does it still copy the bump or fizzles
It will fizzle. {Reverberate} creates a copy of the card after it resolves after being put on the stack. If it no longer has a legal target, it cannot copy anything and will fizzle.
I disagree. A spell is still a spell regardless of whether or not it resolves. The copy should still survive regardless of whether or not the original spell is countered or not, as they are all on the stack. Unless my understanding of stack mechanics is wrong...
Quote from: Keyeto on December 24, 2012, 06:53:34 PM
It will fizzle. {Reverberate} creates a copy of the card after it resolves after being put on the stack. If it no longer has a legal target, it cannot copy anything and will fizzle.
This is correct. Once reverberate resolves, it looks at its target spell, then puts a copy of that spell of the stack. If the target spell has been countered, its been removed from the stack and the reverberate no longer has a valid target.
Now, if reverberate has RESOLVED, and THEN the spell it copied is countered, the copy will still happen. At that point, once reverberate resolves, it has already copied the spell and put it on the stack.
"Proper" play makes this a non issue, right?
Clearly state "I cast {lightning bolt}... Response? No? Ok, priority passes back to me and I cast {reverberate}... Response?" Etc.
Quote from: Falcon182 on December 24, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
"Proper" play makes this a non issue, right?
Clearly state "I cast {lightning bolt}... Response? No? Ok, priority passes back to me and I cast {reverberate}... Response?" Etc.
More or less, yes. But there is the initial question of "if in response to reverberate, opponent {Negate}s lightning bolt, does my reverberate still copy a lightning bolt?"
To which the answer is "no," as originally answered by keyoto.
I think an important factor here is that reverberate doesn't do anything until it resolves. If by the time it's trying to resolve, if nothing is on the stack to target, it can't do anything. If it made the copy immediately, it would be a different story, but since it has to wait until resolution, it would be stopped in the original post's situation.
So you couldn't copy in response to a counter?
I think that's the only way for it to resolve...
Quote from: Vyse on December 25, 2012, 12:41:50 AM
So you couldn't copy in response to a counter?
You could. In this case, reverberate would resolve BEFORE the counter, and would copy the card while it is still on the stack. Example: You cast {Lightning Bolt}, opponent plays {Counterspell} in reaction to it. You can then play {Reverberate} targeting the lightning bolt. Reverberate would resolve, copy the bolt, then the Counterspell would resolve and get rid of the original bolt.
Or. . . Same situation. You copy counterspell targeting the counterspell. Your counter will resolve first sending the opponents to the graveyard and Lightening bolt then resolves as normal.
Quote from: Falcon182 on December 24, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
"Proper" play makes this a non issue, right?
Clearly state "I cast {lightning bolt}... Response? No? Ok, priority passes back to me and I cast {reverberate}... Response?" Etc.
Problem here is "proper" play means that you have to copy before you give them a chance to respond. Because you keep priority after casting a spell. If you pass priority to them and they don't respond then the top of the stack resolves.
Thanks to all who answered. +1 to all. :) I will attempt to sum it up in one post to avoid any confusion.
Let's say you have priority. yay. now when you cast a spell, (let's stick with {Bump in the Night} as the example), you still have priority. This is your chance to cast {Reverberate}, targetting your bump.
Now the stack looks like this:
1) Reverberate is sitting on top, about to resolve. Upon resolving, it will attempt to make a copy of the spell {Bump in the Night}.
2) {Bump in the Night} is sitting on the bottom of the stack. As the stack currently stands, it will resolve last.
OKAY. So you are done casting spells. You pass priority. Your opponent has a chance to respond now. Your opponent casts {Counterspell} on the original {Bump in the Night} (the one on the bottom of the stack). Now the stack looks like this (1-3 = top-bottom):
1) counterspell (targeting bump)
2) reverberate (targetting bump)
3) bump in the night
The countrrspell reaolves. Now the stack looks like this:
1) reverberate (targetting bump)
...reverberate is the only thing on the stack because counterspell resolved first, countering bump in the night. So now reverberate is just sitting there with no legal target. It is countered upon resolution.
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So that is one scenario. Here's another one:
You cast {Bump in the Night}. You still have priority. Yay. But hey, you don't feel like keeping priority. So you pass it. This means you cannot cast {Reverberate} now, or anything.
Your opponent now has priority. Your opponent is at 1 life....so he decides to counter your {Bump in the Night}. He casts {Couterspell}. Here is what the stack looks like now:
1) Counterspell (targetting bump)
2) Bump in the Night
Your opponent passes priority. You are not cool with your bump in the night being countered! So you cast {Reverberate}. Now you can, at this point, copy either your opponent's counterspell, or copy the original bump in the night. Let's go with the latter (copying the original bump). The stack now looks like this:
1) Reverberate (targetting bump)
2) Counterspell (targeting bump)
3) bump in the night
Hey, guess what?? This time since your teverberate is on top, it resolves first. Your opponent takes 3 from the copied bump in the night, and then the other one is countered by the counterspell. Either way one bump will resolve here.
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Ok one more scenario (this one is the shortest):
You cast {Bump in the Night}. Shabam. Yay.
You still have priority, but like in the last scenario, you do not cast reverberate while you still have it. So now your opponent has priority. Your opponent decides to let it resolve. In this scenario, you already passed the priority. And since your opponent didn't play anything that you could respond to, you cannot cast reverberate on your bump in the night. It is already resolving and you can't cast spells because you have no priority! This is the same reason why you can't reverberate an {Epic Experiment} that you pulled the teverberate from. It is already resolving!
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Know this rule: whenever a player casts a spell or activates an ability while he or she jas priority, it is assumed that he or she passes priority after that spell or ability, unless he or she says otherwise.
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RESOLVED
Ah, thanks for clearing that all up. I've never been totally solid on that portion.