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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Birdbrain on December 18, 2012, 07:12:10 PM

Title: Lands, Artifact Lands, Spells, Counter
Post by: Birdbrain on December 18, 2012, 07:12:10 PM
Not that anyone in there right mind would want to do so. Even so, let's say some situation came around were it would be strategically sound. Could you counter lands with counter spells?
Title: Re: Countering lands?
Post by: Birdbrain on December 18, 2012, 07:17:42 PM
I ask because of {great furnace}
It specifies that it isn't a spell, which implies lands can be countered. Because it has implied that most other lands are spells
Title: Re: Countering lands?
Post by: Rigeld on December 18, 2012, 07:20:22 PM
Artifacts are spells. It's an artifact land so has to specify its not a spell.
Title: Re: Countering lands?
Post by: Vyse on December 18, 2012, 07:23:36 PM
Short and sweet no, you can't counter lands
Title: Re: Countering lands?
Post by: Keyeto on December 18, 2012, 07:26:16 PM
Quote from: Vyse on December 18, 2012, 07:23:36 PM
Short and sweet no, you can't counter lands
^This. Lands do not use the stack, and cannot be responded to with a counter spell.
Title: Re: Countering lands?
Post by: Birdbrain on December 18, 2012, 07:32:45 PM
Dang it. And I wanted to get up to some crazy shenanigans with {force spike} and cards like that after going first
Title: Re: Countering lands?
Post by: adventus on December 18, 2012, 08:28:21 PM
Rule 305.1. A player who has priority may play a land card from his or her hand during a main phase of his or her turn when the stack is empty. Playing a land is a special action; it doesn't use the stack (see rule 115). Rather, the player simply puts the land onto the battlefield. Since the land doesn't go on the stack, it is never a spell, and players can't respond to it with instants or activated abilities.

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Artifact Lands:  A combination of artifact and land that's subject to the rules for both. Artifact lands can only be played as lands, not cast as spells. See rule 301, "Artifacts," and rule 305, "Lands."

RESOLVED
Title: Re: Countering lands?
Post by: MisterJH on December 18, 2012, 09:52:31 PM
However they can be targeted by artifact destruction, such as  {Smash to Smithereens} or  {Vandalblast}
Title: Re: Countering lands?
Post by: Jroch314 on December 18, 2012, 09:54:21 PM
Same with artifact creatures.

Coffee!!!! Where you at?!?!?! We need this bia bia RESOLVED!!!
Title: Re: Countering lands?
Post by: Birdbrain on December 18, 2012, 10:30:53 PM
Wait. Artifact creatures don't use the stack?
Title: Re: Countering lands?
Post by: Jroch314 on December 18, 2012, 11:47:35 PM
No they do. Sorry for the misdirection, I was referring to artifact destruction. {Shatter} will take out {Solemn Simulacrum}.
Title: Re: Countering lands?
Post by: Coffee Vampire on December 19, 2012, 03:14:55 AM
Quote from: Jroch314 on December 18, 2012, 09:54:21 PM
Same with artifact creatures.

Coffee!!!! Where you at?!?!?! We need this bia bia RESOLVED!!!
Adventus resolved it quite nicely :) +1 to you adventus.

As he said, lands are not spells; they do not use the stack and cannot be responded to. As for artifact lands, they are exactly the same. Only they can be effected by cards that effect artifacts, like {Ancient Grudge}.

Regular artifacts, like {Memnite}, are spells when cast, and can be reaponded to just like nonartifact spells. It's just lands that cannot be responded to.

The reason artifact lands say "<this land> isn't a spell" is just to remind players that even though they are artifacts, they are still lands and cannot be responded to because they are not spells.
Title: Re: Lands, Artifact Lands, Spells, Counter
Post by: AMAZINSPIDERFAN on August 11, 2013, 11:45:02 AM
Look up rule 305.1