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B/R Vampires "My Friends Sparkle!" 60 cards, 0 sideboard 4 {Blackcleave Cliffs} 2 {Stensia Bloodhall} 4 {Dragonskull Summit} 7 {Mountain} 6 {Swamp} 23 lands 4 {Stromkirk Captain} 4 {Erdwal Ripper} 4 {Falkenrath Aristocrat} 4 {Stromkirk Noble} 4 {Child of Night} 20 creatures 2 {Tribute to Hunger} 2 {Devil's Play} 4 {Brimstone Volley} 4 {Incinerate} 3 {Vampiric Fury} 2 {Doom Blade} 17 other spells Sideboard

I personally dislike falkenrath aristocrat since it is a 4/1 flying with a sac humans ability. This card is only good in a sacrifice humans deck, and unfortunately there arent many of those to be found. The major downslide is that your opponent can block with say a delver of secrets and kill your aristocrat.
I would not run child of night in a standard constructive deck simply because it doesn't do enough. It trades with a 2 body creature or chumps to gain 2 life most of the time.

Instead, you should use markov blademaster and rakish heir in your deck as well as curse of stalked prey. Olivia vordaren is a much better addition to your deck than falkenrath aristocrat.

Falkenrath Aristcrat is in there for agro and you don't have to sacrifice a human to make him good. You just lose out on a +1/+1 counter, he's still indestructible. Olivia is more control based and I'm going for agro. And child of night is amazing with stromkirk captain.

Quote from: THISguy on January 31, 2012, 01:21:32 AM
Falkenrath Aristcrat is in there for agro and you don't have to sacrifice a human to make him good. You just lose out on a +1/+1 counter, he's still indestructible. Olivia is more control based and I'm going for agro. And child of night is amazing with stromkirk captain.

Olivia is simply a better creature than falkenrath since she can keep dealing damage to creatures and gets pumped faster. Falkenrath loses out on the 1/1 counter so it remains a 4/1 that dies to gut shot unless you are willing to give up something else.
Child of night has such a low toughness that it will simply perish to anything, one again, fails the gut shot test. All it will do is gain you two life for two mana.

Quote from: Appleguru56 on January 31, 2012, 01:40:54 AM

Quote from: THISguy on January 31, 2012, 01:21:32 AM
Falkenrath Aristcrat is in there for agro and you don't have to sacrifice a human to make him good. You just lose out on a +1/+1 counter, he's still indestructible. Olivia is more control based and I'm going for agro. And child of night is amazing with stromkirk captain.

Olivia is simply a better creature than falkenrath since she can keep dealing damage to creatures and gets pumped faster. Falkenrath loses out on the 1/1 counter so it remains a 4/1 that dies to gut shot unless you are willing to give up something else.
Child of night has such a low toughness that it will simply perish to anything, one again, fails the gut shot test. All it will do is gain you two life for two mana.

The deck you're talking about is too slow and dies late game and is too slow to push out an early game win. I've tried both decks and agro is the better choice. And child of night of one of the better choices for a two drop vampire, also the lifelink gives you that exta survivability to last those one or two turns if needed.

{Stormblood Berserker}

Quote from: Prophylaxis on January 31, 2012, 02:21:03 AM
{Stormblood Berserker}

Not a vampire. He doesn't benefit from vampiric fury or stromkirk captain.

Quote from: THISguy on January 31, 2012, 02:44:56 AM

Quote from: Prophylaxis on January 31, 2012, 02:21:03 AM
{Stormblood Berserker}

Not a vampire. He doesn't benefit from vampiric fury or stromkirk captain.

He's still good in a vampire deck though.

Quote from: Prophylaxis on January 31, 2012, 03:22:22 AM

Quote from: THISguy on January 31, 2012, 02:44:56 AM

Quote from: Prophylaxis on January 31, 2012, 02:21:03 AM
{Stormblood Berserker}

Not a vampire. He doesn't benefit from vampiric fury or stromkirk captain.

He's still good in a vampire deck though.

He's only good for falkenrath aristocrat, and his own bloodthirst ability. He doesn't benefit from anything else.

Quote from: THISguy on January 31, 2012, 04:55:24 AM

Quote from: Prophylaxis on January 31, 2012, 03:22:22 AM

Quote from: THISguy on January 31, 2012, 02:44:56 AM

Quote from: Prophylaxis on January 31, 2012, 02:21:03 AM
{Stormblood Berserker}

Not a vampire. He doesn't benefit from vampiric fury or stromkirk captain.

He's still good in a vampire deck though.

He's only good for falkenrath aristocrat, and his own bloodthirst ability. He doesn't benefit from anything else.

Ok, Olivia is simply a better card I evey shape and form. They cost the same, Olivia is just one weaker than aristocrat, but she can make herself a 5/5 the very next turn and bigger after that, and kill all their blockers, there is nothing that aristocrat does that is better, even her sac ability you must give another creature in aristocrats place when she is going to die.

I agree with apple on this. If people don't kill my Olivia on the first turn she is out, then they lose every time.

This is a completely different deck than mine. I guess mine is the crappier control version, as you'd put it. Hey man, it wins games. And as far a {Child of Night} goes, I can also vouch that it is a pretty solid card, I wish there were better options, but for the 2 drop, she's all we have.

{vampire interloper}?

Evasion, yes, but he can't block

I find he procs blood thirst well because of his evasion, so often I don't want to block with him anyway but I can definitely see that as a drawback

Also works well wih {rakish heir}, {falkenwrath marauders} etc

Bloodthirst? Who would you be trying to trigger? I have a 1 of {Bloodlord of Vaasgoth} in mine, he doesn't run any Bloodthirsty creatures. (albeit the fact that they are vampires)

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on January 31, 2012, 07:36:35 PM
Bloodthirst? Who would you be trying to trigger? I have a 1 of {Bloodlord of Vaasgoth} in mine, he doesn't run any Bloodthirsty creatures. (albeit the fact that they are vampires)

One thing I don't like about these new triggered ability is that you are going out of your way to try to trigger when you should just be using those precious resources to directly win the game.....

You don't think usin your resources to buff your dudes is a path to winning?

I forces you to consider many elements on the board, giving rewards to players who can best manage their resources and demonstrate better playing skills.
Or I suppose we could all just play Portal or RDW all the time.

Quote from: BlackJester on January 31, 2012, 08:49:06 PM
You don't think usin your resources to buff your dudes is a path to winning?

I forces you to consider many elements on the board, giving rewards to players who can best manage their resources and demonstrate better playing skills.
Or I suppose we could all just play Portal or RDW all the time.

There is a reason why the current metagame supports so many aggro decks aboard. GW humans, UW humans, all the blade variants, tempered steel, RDW, all the token variants, puresteel, moorland aggro, delver aggro, illusions..... The list goes on and on.
Right now, it is simply less efficient to use your precious mana and cards of a deck to do anything else. Not that there arnt any other decks out there, but bloodthirst simply isn't one of those archetypes that uses those resources most efficently.

An example would be playing a (lets assume) shock on your opponent, then play your bloodlord, then play your (bloodthirsty vamp) vampire outcast with five counters and wait until next turn to attack for alot of damage and hoping none of that goes wrong.........
Or you could play a geist of saint traft and Gideon Jura and establish total board control.

What about using early creatures with evasion or {Tormented Soul}?  There are other enablers other than DD.
(I'm not expecting to win any arguments here, I bow to your Standard analysis)

Quote from: Appleguru56 on January 31, 2012, 09:57:22 AM

Quote from: THISguy on January 31, 2012, 04:55:24 AM

Quote from: Prophylaxis on January 31, 2012, 03:22:22 AM

Quote from: THISguy on January 31, 2012, 02:44:56 AM

Quote from: Prophylaxis on January 31, 2012, 02:21:03 AM
{Stormblood Berserker}

Not a vampire. He doesn't benefit from vampiric fury or stromkirk captain.

He's still good in a vampire deck though.

He's only good for falkenrath aristocrat, and his own bloodthirst ability. He doesn't benefit from anything else.

Ok, Olivia is simply a better card I evey shape and form. They cost the same, Olivia is just one weaker than aristocrat, but she can make herself a 5/5 the very next turn and bigger after that, and kill all their blockers, there is nothing that aristocrat does that is better, even her sac ability you must give another creature in aristocrats place when she is going to die.

Agreed. I'm still predicting the Aristocrat to be a financial pickup though. Cards like these can snowball. http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=357716

The aristocrat is running at 9 right now, you may as well get olivia

What happens when they play their board wipe? Aristocrat gets saved by sacrificing a creature unless it s a black sun zenith. That is what makes her better in my opinion.

Quote from: THISguy on February 01, 2012, 01:40:45 AM
What happens when they play their board wipe? Aristocrat gets saved by sacrificing a creature unless it s a black sun zenith. That is what makes her better in my opinion.

As apple said earlier, the majority of decks currently in play are aggro decks and as such they typically don't main board a wrath card. If you like them so much maybe side board them? And trade out with Olivia if they are playing all wipes? Then again, any black deck out there will probably run {tragic slip}, so indestructible will be useless anyway.

I have ran B/R vampires in many different forms for quite a long time, and after playing with almost every creature, I can easily say that Olivia Voldaren is far better then Falkenrath Aristocrat, and Rakish Heir and Bloodline Keeper are must-haves. You do have 4 stromkirk nobles which is good, but 4x Child of Night shouldn't be in there if you want the deck to be as competitive as possible. Markov Blademaster is really really good, paired with removal to clear a lane for it, and a rakish heir/curse of stalked prey, it's insane.

I am so happy I picked up a {markov blade master} in the prerelease, =D

It has been decided by the vote of the majority that Olivia is a far better card than aristocrat.

Quote from: Appleguru56 on February 01, 2012, 08:02:24 PM
It has been decided by the vote of the majority that Olivia is a far better card than aristocrat.

Once I found out {Tragic Slip}, go Olivia.
But Olivia doesn't do anything when she hits the board!

Quote from: Prophylaxis on February 02, 2012, 01:11:33 AM

Quote from: Appleguru56 on February 01, 2012, 08:02:24 PM
It has been decided by the vote of the majority that Olivia is a far better card than aristocrat.

Once I found out {Tragic Slip}, go Olivia.
But Olivia doesn't do anything when she hits the board!

Yes she does, if you have the mana, you can activate her ability. If she had haste, she would be more broken than stoneforge mystic.