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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Johng4490 on November 30, 2012, 10:46:15 PM

Title: Arcane Melee, Goblin Electromancer
Post by: Johng4490 on November 30, 2012, 10:46:15 PM
Do reducing effects like {Arcane Melee} and {Goblin Electromancer} effect overload and flashback?
Title: Re: Reducing effects
Post by: Dudecore on November 30, 2012, 10:55:47 PM
Yes.

Simple formula to remember:
[Mana cost OR alternate cost] + [additional costs] - [cost reductions] = total casting cost

Since overload is an alternate cost {Goblin Electromancer}'s ability will apply to it. Rules 601.2e has to do with lowering costs.

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Title: Re: Reducing effects
Post by: MisterJH on November 30, 2012, 10:58:21 PM
I wouldnt think so because it doesnt affect activated abilities such as "{1}(T) deal damage equal to power to target creature or player"
Id agree it affects overload, but not flashback.. Just my 2 cents though.. (Also should not affect scavenge, therefor should not affect flashback?)
Title: Re: Reducing effects
Post by: Dudecore on November 30, 2012, 11:02:32 PM
Both {Goblin Electromancer} and {Arcane Melee} state "Instant" and  "Sorcery", not creature spells or abilities.
Title: Re: Reducing effects
Post by: MisterJH on November 30, 2012, 11:03:47 PM
Sooo.. Youre qualifying what i said? Yes overload, no flashback?
Title: Re: Reducing effects
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on November 30, 2012, 11:51:05 PM
Both overload and flashback are alt. costs. It either works for both or works for neither.
Title: Re: Reducing effects
Post by: Jroch314 on November 30, 2012, 11:57:16 PM
And it works for both.