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Title: Flicker
Post by: Skulz1 on November 19, 2012, 07:29:54 AM
 {Supreme Verdict} can you flicker a creature to save it from supreme verdict?
Title: Re: Flicker
Post by: Keyeto on November 19, 2012, 08:00:04 AM
Flicker effects unfortunately cannot save your creatures from wrath effects (such as {Supreme Verdict} or {Damnation}).The flicker will resolve before the wrath, and then your creature will end up on the battlefield as the board is wiped. It can, however, save your creatures from targeting spells, such as {Doom Blade}.
Title: Re: Flicker
Post by: ducttapetitan on November 19, 2012, 09:56:57 AM
You would think as soon as the creature is flickered that divine verdic would lose its target. My question is why doesn't it?
Title: Re: Flicker
Post by: whitedrake on November 19, 2012, 09:59:59 AM
Quote from: ducttapetitan on November 19, 2012, 09:56:57 AM
You would think as soon as the creature is flickered that divine verdic would lose its target. My question is why doesn't it?

Bcs if u flicker creature that anyone targeted u will make exactly this... U will exile the targeted creature from play and it comea back as a new origin of that exiled creature... U would have to re target ur spell...
Title: Re: Flicker
Post by: Keyeto on November 19, 2012, 10:00:43 AM
Quote from: ducttapetitan on November 19, 2012, 09:56:57 AM
You would think as soon as the creature is flickered that divine verdic would lose its target. My question is why doesn't it?

Put simply, because it doesn't target.
1) Verdict is cast, and goes on the stack.
2) flicker spell is cast, and goes on the stack.
3) Flicker resolves, and creature is put back on the field.
4) Verdict wipes the board.

Flickers can protect against targeting spells like {Doom Blade} simply because the creature is put on the field as a new object, with no 'memory' of its previous 'life'. This causes the Doom Blade to no longer have a valid target, and fizzle.
Title: Re: Flicker
Post by: whitedrake on November 19, 2012, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Keyeto on November 19, 2012, 10:00:43 AM
Quote from: ducttapetitan on November 19, 2012, 09:56:57 AM
You would think as soon as the creature is flickered that divine verdic would lose its target. My question is why doesn't it?

Put simply, because it doesn't target.
1) Verdict is cast, and goes on the stack.
2) flicker spell is cast, and goes on the stack.
3) Flicker resolves, and creature is put back on the field.
4) Verdict wipes the board.

Flickers can protect against targeting spells like {Doom Blade} simply because the creature is put on the field as a new object, with no 'memory' of its previous 'life'. This causes the Doom Blade to no longer have a valid target, and fizzle.

He is talking about {Divine Verdict} and u about {Supreme Verdict}
Title: Re: Flicker
Post by: Keyeto on November 19, 2012, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: whitedrake on November 19, 2012, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Keyeto on November 19, 2012, 10:00:43 AM
Quote from: ducttapetitan on November 19, 2012, 09:56:57 AM
You would think as soon as the creature is flickered that divine verdic would lose its target. My question is why doesn't it?

Put simply, because it doesn't target.
1) Verdict is cast, and goes on the stack.
2) flicker spell is cast, and goes on the stack.
3) Flicker resolves, and creature is put back on the field.
4) Verdict wipes the board.

Flickers can protect against targeting spells like {Doom Blade} simply because the creature is put on the field as a new object, with no 'memory' of its previous 'life'. This causes the Doom Blade to no longer have a valid target, and fizzle.

He is talking about {Divine Verdict} and u about {Supreme Verdict}

Ohh haha, sorry guys, got excited there. {Divine Verdict} targets, so flickering would protect your creature.
Title: Re: Flicker
Post by: ducttapetitan on November 19, 2012, 01:11:22 PM
Quote from: Keyeto on November 19, 2012, 10:00:43 AM
Quote from: ducttapetitan on November 19, 2012, 09:56:57 AM
You would think as soon as the creature is flickered that divine verdic would lose its target. My question is why doesn't it?

Put simply, because it doesn't target.
1) Verdict is cast, and goes on the stack.
2) flicker spell is cast, and goes on the stack.
3) Flicker resolves, and creature is put back on the field.
4) Verdict wipes the board.

Flickers can protect against targeting spells like {Doom Blade} simply because the creature is put on the field as a new object, with no 'memory' of its previous 'life'. This causes the Doom Blade to no longer have a valid target, and fizzle.


This makes sense.  Thanks!