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Title: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Xaol on November 14, 2012, 04:46:16 PM

Belcher No-Lands

75 cards, 15 sideboard


4 {Chancellor of the Tangle}
4 {Simian Spirit Guide}
4 {Tinder Wall}
2 {Street Wraith}
4 {Elvish Spirit Guide}

18 creatures


4 {Gitaxian Probe}
4 {Goblin Charbelcher}
4 {Seething Song}
3 {Empty the Warrens}
4 {Lotus Petal}
4 {Rite of Flame}
4 {Pyretic Ritual}
4 {Manamorphose}
4 {Chrome Mox}
4 {Desperate Ritual}
3 {Burning Wish}

42 other spells


Sideboard

4 {Pyroblast}
1 {Hull Breach}
1 {Goblin War Strike}
1 {Reforge the Soul}
1 {Pyroclasm}
4 {Xantid Swarm}
1 {Duress}
1 {Shattering Spree}
1 {Empty the Warrens}

15 sideboard cards


Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Xaol on November 14, 2012, 04:46:43 PM
Thoughts? I was getting turn one or turn two wins with this.
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Fishsticks123 on November 17, 2012, 09:49:23 PM
What do you jave in the board to get with birnong wish?
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Xaol on November 17, 2012, 11:57:08 PM
Quote from: Fishsticks123 on November 17, 2012, 09:49:23 PM
What do you jave in the board to get with birnong wish?
There's a 4th  {Empty the Warrens} in case I don't have a win condition in my starting hand.
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: AgrusKos on November 18, 2012, 12:27:51 AM
I'd  put in {Gilded Lotus} so you could cast it and have permanent mana instead of EOT mana
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Xaol on November 18, 2012, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on November 18, 2012, 12:27:51 AM
I'd  put in {Gilded Lotus} so you could cast it and have permanent mana instead of EOT mana
What gets subbed out then?
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: AgrusKos on November 18, 2012, 06:18:11 PM
Quote from: Xaol on November 18, 2012, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on November 18, 2012, 12:27:51 AM
I'd  put in {Gilded Lotus} so you could cast it and have permanent mana instead of EOT mana
What gets subbed out then?
Id do 3 probes
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Xaol on November 18, 2012, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on November 18, 2012, 06:18:11 PM
Quote from: Xaol on November 18, 2012, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on November 18, 2012, 12:27:51 AM
I'd  put in {Gilded Lotus} so you could cast it and have permanent mana instead of EOT mana
What gets subbed out then?
Id do 3 probes
Only thing is, the probes are good when you don't have a win condition/ enough mana ramp in hand.
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: AgrusKos on November 19, 2012, 02:26:08 PM
Quote from: Xaol on November 18, 2012, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on November 18, 2012, 06:18:11 PM
Quote from: Xaol on November 18, 2012, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on November 18, 2012, 12:27:51 AM
I'd  put in {Gilded Lotus} so you could cast it and have permanent mana instead of EOT mana
What gets subbed out then?
Id do 3 probes
Only thing is, the probes are good when you don't have a win condition/ enough mana ramp in hand.
True. Just find a way to get 'em in there. It'll help ;)
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Xaol on November 19, 2012, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on November 19, 2012, 02:26:08 PM
Quote from: Xaol on November 18, 2012, 07:27:33 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on November 18, 2012, 06:18:11 PM
Quote from: Xaol on November 18, 2012, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: AgrusKos on November 18, 2012, 12:27:51 AM
I'd  put in {Gilded Lotus} so you could cast it and have permanent mana instead of EOT mana
What gets subbed out then?
Id do 3 probes
Only thing is, the probes are good when you don't have a win condition/ enough mana ramp in hand.
True. Just find a way to get 'em in there. It'll help ;)
Will do, thanks for the advice!
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Hunteroffire9 on November 24, 2012, 11:09:38 PM
How do you win?
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: GoJuDragon on November 24, 2012, 11:12:23 PM
Hunteroffire- by using {goblin charbelcher}

OP- neeeds {lions eye diamond}
Also, guilded lotus is to slow for legacy.
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Xaol on November 25, 2012, 10:32:08 AM
Quote from: GoJuDragon on November 24, 2012, 11:12:23 PM
Hunteroffire- by using {goblin charbelcher}

OP- neeeds {lions eye diamond}
Also, guilded lotus is to slow for legacy.
My goal is to eventually get  {Lion's Eye Diamond}, however that makes the deck significantly more expensive. At some point I will do it though, what should I take out for them?
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: GoJuDragon on November 25, 2012, 01:13:22 PM
Id take out the chancellor of the tangles
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Falcon182 on November 25, 2012, 01:23:12 PM
What is  {Street Wraith}'s purpose in the deck?
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: #noided on November 25, 2012, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on November 25, 2012, 01:23:12 PM
What is  {Street Wraith}'s purpose in the deck?

Free cycling.
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Xaol on November 25, 2012, 03:26:47 PM
Quote from: GoJuDragon on November 25, 2012, 01:13:22 PM
Id take out the chancellor of the tangles
Great idea, thanks!
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: MisterJH on November 29, 2012, 01:25:32 AM
Id love to see how this runs o.o
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Xaol on November 29, 2012, 05:50:42 AM
Quote from: MisterJH on November 29, 2012, 01:25:32 AM
Id love to see how this runs o.o
Actually it runs pretty awesomely. Most fun I've had playing a deck in a while, I suggest you try it out on Cockatrice!
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Xaol on November 29, 2012, 05:30:10 PM
Decklist updated, now you can see what Burning Wish tutors for!
{Xantid Swarm} comes in against control
{Goblin War Strike} to follow up a turn one empty the warrens.
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Xaol on December 18, 2012, 08:57:20 PM
Guys, think I should bring this deck to the GP in DC this coming November?
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Dudecore on December 18, 2012, 08:59:20 PM
Quote from: Xaol on December 18, 2012, 08:57:20 PM
Guys, think I should bring this deck to the GP in DC this coming November?

You've got a year to think about it. 😘
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Pkalinowski1203 on December 19, 2012, 01:09:51 AM
I'm relatively new to legecy style magic. Could you possibly explain how this deck would work? I looked at all the cards and I have a slight idea but need help with it
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: whitedrake on December 19, 2012, 05:34:13 AM
Quote from: Pkalinowski1203 on December 19, 2012, 01:09:51 AM
I'm relatively new to legecy style magic. Could you possibly explain how this deck would work? I looked at all the cards and I have a slight idea but need help with it

It is quite easy using cards as {Elvish Spirit Guide}, {Simian Spirit Guide}, {Tinder Wall}, {Rite of Flame}, {Chrome Mox} getting mana to Belcher... bcs he has no lands in his deck then he will deal cca 50 dmg in turn 1 or 2...

Or he is going to use warrens....

BTW: It is really nice deck... Not that it would be successful that much but it is really great.. If it will come the right way then it is ultimate... But anyway stands on only two ways of winning and Blue decks with Force of Will could easily end that operation...
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Falcon182 on December 19, 2012, 11:42:43 AM
Quote from: whitedrake on December 19, 2012, 05:34:13 AM
Quote from: Pkalinowski1203 on December 19, 2012, 01:09:51 AM
I'm relatively new to legecy style magic. Could you possibly explain how this deck would work? I looked at all the cards and I have a slight idea but need help with it

It is quite easy using cards as {Elvish Spirit Guide}, {Simian Spirit Guide}, {Tinder Wall}, {Rite of Flame}, {Chrome Mox} getting mana to Belcher... bcs he has no lands in his deck then he will deal cca 50 dmg in turn 1 or 2...

Or he is going to use warrens....

BTW: It is really nice deck... Not that it would be successful that much but it is really great.. If it will come the right way then it is ultimate... But anyway stands on only two ways of winning and Blue decks with Force of Will could easily end that operation...

I would like to play this to see how it matches up. T1  {Force of Will} on the draw or  {Stifle} on the play can ruin your day.
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Xaol on December 19, 2012, 03:43:57 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on December 19, 2012, 11:42:43 AM
Quote from: whitedrake on December 19, 2012, 05:34:13 AM
Quote from: Pkalinowski1203 on December 19, 2012, 01:09:51 AM
I'm relatively new to legecy style magic. Could you possibly explain how this deck would work? I looked at all the cards and I have a slight idea but need help with it

It is quite easy using cards as {Elvish Spirit Guide}, {Simian Spirit Guide}, {Tinder Wall}, {Rite of Flame}, {Chrome Mox} getting mana to Belcher... bcs he has no lands in his deck then he will deal cca 50 dmg in turn 1 or 2...

Or he is going to use warrens....

BTW: It is really nice deck... Not that it would be successful that much but it is really great.. If it will come the right way then it is ultimate... But anyway stands on only two ways of winning and Blue decks with Force of Will could easily end that operation...

I would like to play this to see how it matches up. T1  {Force of Will} on the draw or  {Stifle} on the play can ruin your day.
These two cards are the reason why Belcher isn't a deck which Top 8's much. The only other way we lose with this deck is by keeping bad hands or some freak circumstance.
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Pkalinowski1203 on December 19, 2012, 07:39:00 PM
Quote from: whitedrake on December 19, 2012, 05:34:13 AM
Quote from: Pkalinowski1203 on December 19, 2012, 01:09:51 AM
I'm relatively new to legecy style magic. Could you possibly explain how this deck would work? I looked at all the cards and I have a slight idea but need help with it

It is quite easy using cards as {Elvish Spirit Guide}, {Simian Spirit Guide}, {Tinder Wall}, {Rite of Flame}, {Chrome Mox} getting mana to Belcher... bcs he has no lands in his deck then he will deal cca 50 dmg in turn 1 or 2...

Or he is going to use warrens....

BTW: It is really nice deck... Not that it would be successful that much but it is really great.. If it will come the right way then it is ultimate... But anyway stands on only two ways of winning and Blue decks with Force of Will could easily end that operation...
. Hey thanks for the explaination :)
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Fishsticks123 on December 31, 2012, 01:31:47 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on November 25, 2012, 01:23:12 PM
What is  {Street Wraith}'s purpose in the deck?

It is {0} to draw a card, just so you can get more if your combo cards.
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Falcon182 on December 31, 2012, 01:45:15 AM
Quote from: Fishsticks123 on December 31, 2012, 01:31:47 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on November 25, 2012, 01:23:12 PM
What is  {Street Wraith}'s purpose in the deck?

It is {0} to draw a card, just so you can get more if your combo cards.

Technically it's "Pay 2 life, get a card." I'd rather use {gitaxian probe}. Edit: it's in there. Something similar maybe... Hmmm. 
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Xaol on December 31, 2012, 09:11:40 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on December 31, 2012, 01:45:15 AM
Quote from: Fishsticks123 on December 31, 2012, 01:31:47 AM
Quote from: Falcon182 on November 25, 2012, 01:23:12 PM
What is  {Street Wraith}'s purpose in the deck?

It is {0} to draw a card, just so you can get more if your combo cards.

Technically it's "Pay 2 life, get a card." I'd rather use {gitaxian probe}. Edit: it's in there. Something similar maybe... Hmmm.
For card draw we have:
{Gitaxian Probe}
{Manamorphose}
{Street Wraith}
Title: Re: Belcher No-Lands
Post by: Xaol on January 31, 2013, 06:08:39 PM
Bump.