Let's say my opponent plays {Oblivion Ring} on my {Captain of the Watch} passes priority and I play {Cloudshift} targeting my captain of the watch. Would my cloudshift make the o-ring fizzle or would my captain of the watch be brought back onto the field giving my opponents o-ring a valid target?
Ring goes fizz
It doesn't work that way. O ring doesn't target anything until it resolves. You don't know what they are targeting while it's on the stack. O ring has an eTB ability. Once it resolves and their trigger goes on the stack targeting one of your creatures that would be the time to respond with cloudshift or whatever. This would result in o ring having an invalid target and just sit on the battlefield having exiled nothing it doesn't fizzle
Alright fizzle was a bad choice of word, but it does give it an invalid target. Good to know.
Be careful of the timing though. As said before it doesnt target till it resolves. So if they cast the ring and say they want to exile your captain, you have to stop them say it hasnt resolved yet. If you cloudshit the captain before it resolves then you get three soldiers and still lose the captain to the ring when it does resolve. If you wait till it resolves and the ETB targets the captain then shift it you would provably win with 15 vigilant power in play.
Simple:
Casts {oblivion ring}
You let it resolve, etb triggers targeting {captain of the watch}
In response, {cloudshift} {captain of the watch} and the target will fizzle, but they will still have an {oblivion ring} sitting on the board useless.
It's the same thing for all etb creatures.
{vexing devil} you can choose to counter it (if you can) since you're casting the spell first before any abilities trigger.
Quote from: Willthomjr on November 08, 2012, 07:12:13 PM
It's the same thing for all etb creatures.
{vexing devil} you can choose to counter it (if you can) since you're casting the spell first before any abilities trigger.
Interesting thing I found out about {vexing devil}, if it ETB and your opponent allows it to resolve, you could cloudshift at another time and they could say I pay the 4, but because he has already resolves before, he stays and they lose the 4 life. You look like a jerk for it but you keep the devil lol
Quote from: Kerebrus on November 10, 2012, 08:34:26 AM
Quote from: Willthomjr on November 08, 2012, 07:12:13 PM
It's the same thing for all etb creatures.
{vexing devil} you can choose to counter it (if you can) since you're casting the spell first before any abilities trigger.
Interesting thing I found out about {vexing devil}, if it ETB and your opponent allows it to resolve, you could cloudshift at another time and they could say I pay the 4, but because he has already resolves before, he stays and they lose the 4 life. You look like a jerk for it but you keep the devil lol
Not quite, if vexing devil re-enters the battlefield, the new decision is the only one that sticks. He's a new object now, and all ties have been severed with any previous decisions to keep him on the field or not. Vexing A may have been allowed to stay, but now he's Vexing B, a brand new dude! And a brand new choice.
And before anyone asks, he can't be {cloudshifted} if the opponent chooses to pay 4 life in order to flicker him and make them choose again. Once the ETB has started, it can't be interrupted - and by the time it's over and you can respond to the result, he will already be sacrificed and in your graveyard.