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Who give a sh*t who ever they vote in is just gonna fu*k up the country more than it already is
Quote from: MetalMadMan on November 06, 2012, 07:17:49 PM
Who give a sh*t who ever they vote in is just gonna fu*k up the country more than it already is
this is true but obama care is my biggest fear
Senator Palpatine or Senator Mothma?
Quote from: Fenster on November 06, 2012, 07:27:16 PM
Senator Palpatine or Senator Mothma?
Palpatine because its cooler on the Dark side.
Crony Capitalism. You're voting for Obama's cronies vs. Romney's cronies. Obama's re-election campaign cost $2 billion. If you don't think he owes people favors for that you're insane. Romney too.
To become President of the United States you need only raise money and have a healthy belief in god. A molecular scientist who does neither would easily lose.
The system is a farce and democracy is an illegitimate form of government. /rant
Quote from: Killin88 on November 06, 2012, 07:21:40 PM
Quote from: MetalMadMan on November 06, 2012, 07:17:49 PM
Who give a sh*t who ever they vote in is just gonna fu*k up the country more than it already is
this is true but obama care is my biggest fear
I think most women don't feel that way since they are now able to get fantastic health benefits and free form of contraception...I know I certainly don't mind my girlfriend getting all that for free! Lol
Quote from: Kerebrus on November 06, 2012, 07:44:36 PM
Quote from: Killin88 on November 06, 2012, 07:21:40 PM
Quote from: MetalMadMan on November 06, 2012, 07:17:49 PM
Who give a sh*t who ever they vote in is just gonna fu*k up the country more than it already is
this is true but obama care is my biggest fear
I think most women don't feel that way since they are now able to get fantastic health benefits and free form of contraception...I know I certainly don't mind my girlfriend getting all that for free! Lol
My wife gets all that anyways. Oh the benefits of being a Native American! Hahah.
Quote from: Testset on November 06, 2012, 08:16:57 PM
I live in California. This state is about as {U} as it gets. I voted Libertarian. Maybe he'll get the 5% popular to get third-party funding, not likely, though. But since the California result was predetermined, I figured I'd do some good. 😯
I'm in California as well
I'm in california also!
Quote from: MetalMadMan on November 06, 2012, 07:17:49 PM
Who give a sh*t who ever they vote in is just gonna fu*k up the country more than it already is
Actually the senate race is more important. If the opposite party is in power of te senate then not a lot can get done. The senate won't pass anything out of spite and vice versa.
The rest of the world has looked at America and their health care system, frowned and thanked their chosen deity that they don't have your health care system.
Why on earth would you not want a better health care system when it's offered is beyond me. Trust me when I say the rest of the world thinks the same.
#RonPaul2012
Quote from: Wally on November 06, 2012, 08:55:22 PM
The rest of the world has looked at America and their health care system, frowned and thanked their chosen deity that they don't have your health care system.
Why on earth would you not want a better health care system when it's offered is beyond me. Trust me when I say the rest of the world thinks the same.
While health care reform is needed here, Obamacare isn't the way to go about it. Under Obamacare, premiums will soar, people will actually be forced to buy health care, and the number of doctors will plummet. Not to mention how Obamacare will limit treatment options.
Forced healthcare probably isn't as bad as you would imagine. The same way you have mandatory car insurance when you register a car to drive on the road, etc.
The numbers of doctors wouldn't actually reduce with a mandatory system, rather it would probably be more and better eatablished hospitals and health care services.
Just a thought.
Quote from: Dudecore on November 06, 2012, 07:40:48 PM
Crony Capitalism. You're voting for Obama's cronies vs. Romney's cronies. Obama's re-election campaign cost $2 billion. If you don't think he owes people favors for that you're insane. Romney too.
To become President of the United States you need only raise money and have a healthy belief in god. A molecular scientist who does neither would easily lose.
The system is a farce and democracy is an illegitimate form of government. /rant
The US isn't a democracy though....
I exersice my right to not vote.
I voted Libraterian as well. Both main party options pretty much sucked. Just my 2¢.
I'm in Cali to!!
Obama just won.
Quote from: Maximo on November 07, 2012, 01:11:45 AM
Obama just won.
yup, it sucks. They are both a sack of turds. I would have just prefered the other sack of turds to be in office. His health care plan is a little better than Obamas.
Stein. Let's see the independents get funding.
Quote from: Karrthus on November 07, 2012, 01:16:23 AM
Quote from: Maximo on November 07, 2012, 01:11:45 AM
Obama just won.
yup, it sucks. They are both a sack of turds. I would have just prefered the other sack of turds to be in office. His health care plan is a little better than Obamas.
Obama is a traitor and a domestic enemy of the United States.
I'm with Dudecore on this one.
Quote from: smokin terry on November 06, 2012, 10:27:52 PM
I exersice my right to not vote.
Nothing in the constitution explicitly gives anyone the right to vote.
Quote from: CajunJynx on November 07, 2012, 02:24:30 AM
Obama is a traitor and a domestic enemy of the United States.
I would love to hear your argument as to why, so long as you can base it in fact...
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 07:28:27 AM
Quote from: CajunJynx on November 07, 2012, 02:24:30 AM
Obama is a traitor and a domestic enemy of the United States.
I would love to hear your argument as to why, so long as you can base it in fact...
Yeah people have a habbit of spouting out nonsense like that without backing it up, or if they can they never do...
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 07:28:27 AM
Quote from: CajunJynx on November 07, 2012, 02:24:30 AM
Obama is a traitor and a domestic enemy of the United States.
I would love to hear your argument as to why, so long as you can base it in fact...
He is turning US into socialist state.
Quote from: Piotr on November 07, 2012, 09:27:43 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 07:28:27 AM
Quote from: CajunJynx on November 07, 2012, 02:24:30 AM
Obama is a traitor and a domestic enemy of the United States.
I would love to hear your argument as to why, so long as you can base it in fact...
He is turning US into socialist state.
Sounds like the republican talking points meant to persuade voters through the peripheral route of persuasion. I would respectfully say your claim to socialism is erroneous and on the grounds of slander.
Is he taking over all of the privately owned land and making it state owned like Stalin did in Russia after the overthrow of the Tsar?
👋 I can answer that .... No he is not, he has promoted private enterprise and I welcome any dispute of that fact.
Has he increased the amount of government workers?
👋 I can answer that too .... No, actually there has been a decline and Bush increased the size of government way more than any "conservative" should.
Does he force government to make decisions in our daily lives?
👋 Pick me pick me!!! No, and I would argue that the republican argument for a lack of birth control or abolishing abortion is more socialist since that would be government telling people what decisions to make about their personal lives .... and you can't say that is not "big" government.
Here lets look at republican plans for drilling oil in America. They want to drill here but they also argue that oil should stay in America instead of being sold on the international market. Guess who else does that? Hugo Chavez.....the SOCIALIST, pretty much dictator, of Venezuela. Yes they sell on the global market but he their government controls how much stays in the country and how much is sold on the market. Obama had no plans to do this but many Republicans would like to.
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 09:50:26 AM
Quote from: Piotr on November 07, 2012, 09:27:43 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 07:28:27 AM
Quote from: CajunJynx on November 07, 2012, 02:24:30 AM
Obama is a traitor and a domestic enemy of the United States.
I would love to hear your argument as to why, so long as you can base it in fact...
He is turning US into socialist state.
Does he force government to make decisions in our daily lives?
I did not say communist state, I said socialist. Obamacare is precisely forcing decisions which should be left with people, and so is the rest of the regulations which administration is pushing on you.
You are right about communism but socialism is just one step below it and Obama is no where near socialism.
Other than the health care mandate I just don't see any of his administration's policies screaming socialism. The mandate's inception derived from the Republican Party and Crony Capitalism's desire to make it a requirement for people to purchase health care .... so call the Republicans who created the mandate socialists.
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 09:50:26 AMHugo Chavez.....the SOCIALIST, pretty much dictator, of Argentina.
Argentina? You sure?
Quote from: Mentonin on November 07, 2012, 11:17:40 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 09:50:26 AMHugo Chavez.....the SOCIALIST, pretty much dictator, of Argentina.
Argentina? You sure?
Lol my bad ... Venezuela not Argentina .... ranting too fast for my own good lol
I got a C in Geography :P
Quote from: Piotr on November 07, 2012, 09:27:43 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 07:28:27 AM
Quote from: CajunJynx on November 07, 2012, 02:24:30 AM
Obama is a traitor and a domestic enemy of the United States.
I would love to hear your argument as to why, so long as you can base it in fact...
He is turning US into socialist state.
I love the owner yesh
I was born under socialist regime in Poland.
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 10:58:02 AM
You are right about communism but socialism is just one step below it and Obama is no where near socialism.
Other than the health care mandate I just don't see any of his administration's policies screaming socialism. The mandate's inception derived from the Republican Party and Crony Capitalism's desire to make it a requirement for people to purchase health care .... so call the Republicans who created the mandate socialists.
Taxes are another example. Raising the taxes on small buisneses and rich people to pay for the "benefits" the government gives out is just basically spreading the wealth around. This discourages people to actually strive to work well and encourages laziness and will actually not help the employment rate. For the upper class, this means that they will be taxed more and more just to keep other non workers off the streets.
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 09:50:26 AM
Quote from: Piotr on November 07, 2012, 09:27:43 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 07:28:27 AM
Quote from: CajunJynx on November 07, 2012, 02:24:30 AM
Obama is a traitor and a domestic enemy of the United States.
I would love to hear your argument as to why, so long as you can base it in fact...
He is turning US into socialist state.
Sounds like the republican talking points meant to persuade voters through the peripheral route of persuasion. I would respectfully say your claim to socialism is erroneous and on the grounds of slander.
Is he taking over all of the privately owned land and making it state owned like Stalin did in Russia after the overthrow of the Tsar?
👋 I can answer that .... No he is not, he has promoted private enterprise and I welcome any dispute of that fact.
Has he increased the amount of government workers?
👋 I can answer that too .... No, actually there has been a decline and Bush increased the size of government way more than any "conservative" should.
Does he force government to make decisions in our daily lives?
👋 Pick me pick me!!! No, and I would argue that the republican argument for a lack of birth control or abolishing abortion is more socialist since that would be government telling people what decisions to make about their personal lives .... and you can't say that is not "big" government.
Here lets look at republican plans for drilling oil in America. They want to drill here but they also argue that oil should stay in America instead of being sold on the international market. Guess who else does that? Hugo Chavez.....the SOCIALIST, pretty much dictator, of Venezuela. Yes they sell on the global market but he their government controls how much stays in the country and how much is sold on the market. Obama had no plans to do this but many Republicans would like to.
i disagree with you on all of this. Now you are rite he has not done any of this, because congress has not let it happened. Now has Obama propose bills that modify our average verdant life and have to do with the point you covered. Yes he has, and thank god congress didn't pass those bills. if you don't believe me take the time to read agenda 21.
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 09:50:26 AM
Quote from: Piotr on November 07, 2012, 09:27:43 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 07:28:27 AM
Quote from: CajunJynx on November 07, 2012, 02:24:30 AM
Obama is a traitor and a domestic enemy of the United States.
I would love to hear your argument as to why, so long as you can base it in fact...
He is turning US into socialist state.
Sounds like the republican talking points meant to persuade voters through the peripheral route of persuasion. I would respectfully say your claim to socialism is erroneous and on the grounds of slander.
Is he taking over all of the privately owned land and making it state owned like Stalin did in Russia after the overthrow of the Tsar?
👋 I can answer that .... No he is not, he has promoted private enterprise and I welcome any dispute of that fact.
Has he increased the amount of government workers?
👋 I can answer that too .... No, actually there has been a decline and Bush increased the size of government way more than any "conservative" should.
Does he force government to make decisions in our daily lives?
👋 Pick me pick me!!! No, and I would argue that the republican argument for a lack of birth control or abolishing abortion is more socialist since that would be government telling people what decisions to make about their personal lives .... and you can't say that is not "big" government.
Here lets look at republican plans for drilling oil in America. They want to drill here but they also argue that oil should stay in America instead of being sold on the international market. Guess who else does that? Hugo Chavez.....the SOCIALIST, pretty much dictator, of Venezuela. Yes they sell on the global market but he their government controls how much stays in the country and how much is sold on the market. Obama had no plans to do this but many Republicans would like to.
Actually, yes, yes, and yes.
In order: the government has been grabbing any land they can lately, partially for the building of railroads and those FEMA camps that don't exist but really do.
He has increased the size and scope of the US as well as continued to allow American agencies to collect intel in American citizens, he re signed the patriot act and sued for the inclusion of indef detention in the newest NDAA.
Obamacare, his administration has also suggested bills to regulate what you can and can not eat or drink in the name of "public health".
Can you name anything he has accomplished that has helped the nation since he came into office?
Like raising the unemployment rates to higher levels than the depression, increasing gas prices, spending more than any president in history, and these are just the most easily fact checked issues...
Also, Obama is a confirmed liar, aside from him claiming to be born and raised in Kenya until he ran for president the first time, admitting then hiding the fact that he is Muslim (which is just silly, because why does his personal religion matter? Why hide it?), his deceleration that all combat actions had ended in Iraq and all the combat troops had returned from Iraq while I was in Baghdad as a combat soldier in an infantry brigade combat team and was ironically engaged in combat at the exact time he made that speech, or his claim to not run for a second term if he didn't halve the national debt, or the same claim only in reference to making more jobs, or his multiple attempts to eliminate the second ammendment, or that he claims personal responsibility for the death of Osama bin laden when Hilary Clinton actually ran the mission behind his back and didn't make him aware until the SEAL team was already in Pakistan....they actually had to interrupt his golf game to inform him...
When you bring up the "Kenya" and "Muslim" thing just discredits you since these are just blatant lies and propaganda attempts by conservative/tea party nut jobs.
http://www.snopes.com/.politics./military/navyseal.asp
Here is a snopes.com link that debunks your right wing email about Obama not making the call to kill Obama.
On my short visit to the states this year, I did notice the huge presence of conspiracy theories and propaganda present in everyday life. It's pretty crazy.
So glad I live in Australia. Even if our prime minister is a fruit loop.
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 08:03:50 PM
When you bring up the "Kenya" and "Muslim" thing just discredits you since these are just blatant lies and propaganda attempts by conservative/tea party nut jobs.
Ihis publicist really did claim he was from Kenya up until he didn't. Same thing about him being Islam.
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 08:15:14 PM
http://www.snopes.com/.politics./military/navyseal.asp
Here is a snopes.com link that debunks your right wing email about Obama not making the call to kill Obama.
Wrong email, the source I used was from the associated press.
Quote from: CajunJynx on November 07, 2012, 11:48:38 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on November 07, 2012, 08:03:50 PM
When you bring up the "Kenya" and "Muslim" thing just discredits you since these are just blatant lies and propaganda attempts by conservative/tea party nut jobs.
Ihis publicist really did claim he was from Kenya up until he didn't. Same thing about him being Islam.
I am not even saying he is from Kenya or is Muslim, just saying that is what his own publicist stated before he ran for president.
Who cares if Obama is both Kenyan and Muslim? (Both of which are untrue.) He is a politician...so the country would be better served, and less in debt, and less government programs picking winners and loser would exist if someone else with as much power, and no accountability were in office? I don't care if we have a Native American as president, they can't, won't, accomplish anything for the people of this country.
Everyone talks about raising taxes, what is wrong with the 2 trillion dollars we collect in tax money? Stop buying bombs, stop corporate welfare, stop bailing out private corporate cronies...
Quote from: Dudecore on November 08, 2012, 12:10:38 AM
Who cares if Obama is both Kenyan and Muslim? (Both of which are untrue.) He is a politician...so the country would be better served, and less in debt, and less government programs picking winners and loser would exist if someone else with as much power, and no accountability were in office? I don't care if we have a Native American as president, they can't, won't, accomplish anything for the people of this country.
Everyone talks about raising taxes, what is wrong with the 2 trillion dollars we collect in tax money? Stop buying bombs, stop corporate welfare, stop bailing out private corporate cronies...
It's not what he said, it's that he lied and got caught. He is an established liar. He has lied about things he literally doesn't need to.
I agree with your opinion on taxes.