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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Kona6 on October 27, 2012, 05:53:54 AM

Title: Havoc festival
Post by: Kona6 on October 27, 2012, 05:53:54 AM
If there are 2  {Havoc Festival} active a players life is halved twice right?
Title: Re: Havoc festival
Post by: Fenster on October 27, 2012, 05:58:26 AM
No its their whole life. ;D

But yeah halved once then half of the new health again.
Title: Re: Havoc festival
Post by: Kona6 on October 27, 2012, 06:29:02 AM
That's how I thought it would work , but wasn't sure about so I was looking for clarification lol, thanks for the clarification :) but my duel buddies won't be thankful though lol hahaha rakdos all the way :)
Title: Re: Havoc festival
Post by: Hays413 on October 27, 2012, 11:56:56 PM
I'd like to ad on to this with another question...

I have {havoc festival} out and {tree of redemption}. Beginning of my upkeep my life goes from say 20 to 10. I tap the the tree, the only effect that happens is that the tree goes from 13 toughness to 10 toughness for the remainder of the turn?

Because in the rulings for the tree, it explains that I will gain life/lose life to get equal to the trees toughness. Is that just the wording they used or is there actually a gain/lose effect going on. I thought an exchange like that wouldn't be gain or lose... And yes I'm trying to make the festival work
Title: Re: Havoc festival
Post by: Maximo on October 28, 2012, 12:31:50 AM
Sorry, the changing life totals count as life gain and loss and are stopped by the festival. I believe it's in the rulings on the tree.
Title: Re: Havoc festival
Post by: average_j03 on October 28, 2012, 09:58:17 AM
Quote from: Maximo on October 28, 2012, 12:31:50 AM
Sorry, the changing life totals count as life gain and loss and are stopped by the festival. I believe it's in the rulings on the tree.

I don't think so,  {Soul Conduit} has the same effect and doesn't involve either player gaining or losing life, just exchanging. So it should work fine
Title: Re: Havoc festival
Post by: Wally on October 28, 2012, 10:32:59 AM
Quote from: average_j03 on October 28, 2012, 09:58:17 AM
Quote from: Maximo on October 28, 2012, 12:31:50 AM
Sorry, the changing life totals count as life gain and loss and are stopped by the festival. I believe it's in the rulings on the tree.

I don't think so,  {Soul Conduit} has the same effect and doesn't involve either player gaining or losing life, just exchanging. So it should work fine

You are correct that it functions in the same way that soul conduit does. Except you are wrong on how it functions.
If you read the rulings on both of the cards it says that it is life gain/life loss. And that triggers that will occur when these happen, will trigger as a result.
Title: Re: Havoc festival
Post by: Hays413 on October 28, 2012, 12:00:19 PM
Yea I thought so. Thanks guys just wanted more opinions and thoughts. So much for that idea...
Title: Re: Havoc festival
Post by: Kaleo42 on October 28, 2012, 08:23:44 PM
You can use that ruling to your advantage though. If you tap {tree of redemption} for it's effect and your life total is 3 you (by the rules of magic) GAIN 10 life. Add {rhox faithmender} and instead you gain 20 life making your new life total 23 and the tree's toughness 3.
Title: Re: Havoc festival
Post by: Hays413 on October 28, 2012, 09:30:55 PM
That does work but not what I want to do.
I want to fog and defend while havoc fest rips my opponent apart. Was hoping the tree could help with the life problem
Title: Re: Havoc festival
Post by: KulrathKnight on October 29, 2012, 07:53:46 AM
If it's not standard, your deck could use {Platinum Emperion}.