Hey just saw some previews for the new commander' arsenal product coming out and thought that I would share.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/218b
Ew. I don't think I've thought less, or cared less about a Magic product in such a long time.
I like how they're printing reserve list cards as oversized (ie. {Sliver Queen}) but this set is, and is acknowledged to be rushed. It's overpriced, uninteresting and unnessisary.
As much kicking and screaming as I tend to do (hated drafting Avacyn, don't like M13 and think its the worst core in years) I purchase product from Wizards. This is a product I don't care for, and won't bother me when it comes out. It's a cheap cash-in on their player base, and hopefully they'll see the error of their ways.
I want to get it hopefully my lgs dosent jack up price way beyond MSRP
Quote from: Juggalonoke on October 25, 2012, 12:58:32 AM
I want to get it hopefully my lgs dosent jack up price way beyond MSRP
It's over $200 in some places.
This may be an item I am not buying. The MSRP is steep enough let alone a markup. I don't play commander yet anyway.......someday proly.
I ONLY want the Mayael, forget the rest, unless there's a {Rhys the Redeemed}
I kinda feel bad for the suckers that preordered this at $200
My store is doing a 15 buck commander event and first place gets an arsenal... Could be the best 15 bucks I'll spend
Damn. I'll buy it just for the foil command tower.
Lol that thing is jacked up more then the ftv realms
Wow, gotta say, that's F'ing junk. Not impressed at all.
Quote from: Hays413 on October 25, 2012, 08:50:59 PM
Wow, gotta say, that's F'ing junk. Not impressed at all.
This, I would feel jipped if I paid Msrp lol
I'll probably just buy Command Tower as a single, and maybe a few of those life counters or sleeves... Nothing useful really, I'd only buy this if it were $30 or less.
Quote from: G33kL0rd on October 27, 2012, 01:26:55 PM
I'll probably just buy Command Tower as a single, and maybe a few of those life counters or sleeves... Nothing useful really, I'd only buy this if it were $30 or less.
This for me too. I'd love one of the life counters, and a few of the cards I'm between off getting as singles. I'd buy it at half the price being listed, but I just can't afford to pay such an exuberant amount of money for what seems like so little.
Quote from: Gorzo on October 27, 2012, 02:05:33 PM
Quote from: G33kL0rd on October 27, 2012, 01:26:55 PM
I'll probably just buy Command Tower as a single, and maybe a few of those life counters or sleeves... Nothing useful really, I'd only buy this if it were $30 or less.
This for me too. I'd love one of the life counters, and a few of the cards I'm between off getting as singles. I'd buy it at half the price being listed, but I just can't afford to pay such an exuberant amount of money for what seems like so little.
Compleatly agree. It just feels like they r just trying to be greedy and suck more money out of people that enjoy playing commander. Shame on them. It is so unnessessery for it to be that high of a price. Even if u parted the cards and counter and everything out and sold them all as singles it still wouldn't equal the 70 dollars msrp.
This product is meant to be similar to From the Vault, is that it's a "luxury" product for a small minority of the playerbase. I don't like {Search the City}. I think it's a really narrow card. But there are a small subsect of players that really like {Search the City}. They have four decks with four of these jammed in.
Most of the players will not buy Commander's Arsenal. Most of the players will revile it. But there are a small subsect of players that don't buy any Magic products, just update their EDH decks regularly and play EDH every Sunday morning. This product is aimed at them. They look at a booster box or a standard deck and say, "Golly, why would anyone spend $100+ for these things?" And they divert their booster box money or the money they would spend on a Standard deck into one of these products.
Quote from: Prophylaxis on October 27, 2012, 05:46:06 PM
This product is meant to be similar to From the Vault, is that it's a "luxury" product for a small minority of the playerbase. I don't like {Search the City}. I think it's a really narrow card. But there are a small subsect of players that really like {Search the City}. They have four decks with four of these jammed in.
Most of the players will not buy Commander's Arsenal. Most of the players will revile it. But there are a small subsect of players that don't buy any Magic products, just update their EDH decks regularly and play EDH every Sunday morning. This product is aimed at them. They look at a booster box or a standard deck and say, "Golly, why would anyone spend $100+ for these things?" And they divert their booster box money or the money they would spend on a Standard deck into one of these products.
I completely agree. That being said though, and maybe it's just the small percentage of the EDH player base I've played/spoken with, these cards are junk. And oversized cards, while cool sometimes, are just a gimmick. If they were going to put out a real arsenal, they should have packed it with staples that EVERY EDH deck uses. {Command Tower}, {Terramorphic Expanse}, {Lightning Greaves}, {Whispersilk Cloak} etc. Maybe even a cycle of "guild" legends (nothing to do with Ravnica), that would basically all have an even or same effect. Or just vanilla and badass. To me that would be an "arsenal"
I kinda disagree with you on this one proph. If the cards included were staples and must-haves, then I'd agree with you for sure, but what's being released is a strange assortment of seemingly random legendaries, enchants, and a command tower. I'm someone who plays commander almost exclusively when it comes to constructed formats, and I dont even want 75% of these cards.
Now if you replaced the gimmicky stuff like {Azusa lost but seeking} that only a couple decks would want with a staple like {Sensei's Divining Top} and swap the Precon-available generals with some harder to find popular generals like {Thraximundar} and I might feel like the people who put this set together gave a damn about me as a commander player.
Hear hear
Hays' verdict: JUNK!
Quote from: Hays413 on October 27, 2012, 08:14:40 PM
Hear hear
Hays' verdict: JUNK!
all in favor say aye. Aye
I think the chance here is to print oversized cards from Reserve list, because they don't function outside EDH. But how many great creatures are even on the Reserve list? EDH also has a problem of...you only get 1 copy of every card. This set is just a cash in for Wizards, which had a great track record lately of not ripping off their consumer base.
Eternal formats outside of Modern don't get any products because mostly all the great cards are restricted, the ones that aren't ({Force of Will}) don't warrant a new print run. Modern Masters on the other hand is a fantastic product.
I had hoped for more from EDH set, like a reprint of awesome EDH stables at a good price. Instead we get $80 sleeves, counters and an oversized {Grimgrin, Corpse-born}? Just buy one for $1...