What would happen if I used {mind control} on {karona, false god}
It would still get passed around, it's like mind controlling a creature already hit by another mind control I think
Ok, so does karona's ability circumvent the aura on it?
Example: I cast mind control on karona, gain control of her, but on everyone's upkeep they gain control of her and that's it? Or does it go back to the control of the person who cast it after a "state-based check"?
Not sure on how the rules work for this...
Karona herself says you're gonna lose her to the next person in line, so you do, Mind Control or not. You gain control, then you lose control.
Hmm you have a good point they gain control but that is overridden by your mind control...
So other than the initial turn that you would gain control of enchanted creature, karona's own ability would make that null and void the second someone's upkeep came? Ok that makes sense. Thanks guys.
I played Jaces deck against a jace deck in dotp 12 and i cast a {mindcontrol} on him then my opponent however cast {cultural exchange} targeting the mindcontrolled creature from him. But when it resolved i got control of it back again.
I always thought that {Mind control} as the supreme ruler. One to rule them all! :P
Ok, so now I'm confused again... 😕
We need a rules adivsor :P
I thought mindcontrol was a static statebased ability.
Quote from: Fenster on October 23, 2012, 02:41:44 PM
We need a rules adivsor :P
I thought mindcontrol was a static statebased ability.
You do not get one thing..;)
U will always get control over the creature but u will never get control over equipments and auras attached to the creature...;)
The aura is still controlled by her caster...;)
Anyway in this case mind control have no effect anyway bcs even mind control cannot cancel her ability to move... Check the definition of local enchantments...;)
Quote from: whitedrake on October 23, 2012, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: Fenster on October 23, 2012, 02:41:44 PM
We need a rules adivsor :P
I thought mindcontrol was a static statebased ability.
You do not get one thing..;)
U will always get control over the creature but u will never get control over equipments and auras attached to the creature...;)
The aura is still controlles by her caster...;)
Imho in this case mind control have no effect anyway bcs even mind control cannot cancel her ability to move... Check the definition of local enchantments...;)
I dont know exactly what you mean but i think this is what would happen with both korona and trecherous act.
Korona triggers. Control is given away. State is checked. Mindcontrol is seen. Owner of mindcontrol's owner gets her back.
Check rule 613.8...;)
But korona and act arent continous?
Perhaps it is what makes it not possible.
According to the rules...
Gain control effects resolve in second layer according to the timestamp of the effect...
Means Mind Control gives control and after that new stamped ability of the vreature..;)
Quote from: Fenster on October 23, 2012, 04:13:55 PM
But korona and act arent continous?
Perhaps it is what makes it not possible.
But in that rule is also said that the same process is applied also on effects with duration...;)
"You control enchanted creature"
i just assume the enchantment checks itself as a state based action. As long as the creature is enchanted, that is.
Quote from: Fenster on October 23, 2012, 04:20:05 PM
"You control enchanted creature"
i just assume the enchantment checks itself as a state based action. As long as the creature is enchanted, that is.
And controlling the creature by local enchantment doesn't prevent the creature from changing its controller...
But the enchantment is still there? And the resolved spell is not. I understand what you mean. But doesnt enchantments work like static abilities?
Lol, I could really use a gavel here, guys.
See that creature changes its controller form upkeep to upkeep... If there would be no enchantment on her the controller would be caster... And the enchantment only states new controller... But it cannot prevent changing of control based on another effect...
I know i've never hit such a big dead end!
Found this thread on MTGS...
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=284442
I would guess thats as much of a gavel we can get!
Quote from: Fenster on October 23, 2012, 04:45:47 PM
I would guess thats as much of a gavel we can get!
Hehe did not believe me and my rule explanation but if it is on mtgs then...:D
Anyway I discussed similar problem few years ago...;) but it was about control magic and do not remember what exactly was the second card...;) but the problem was pretty same...:)
Nah if 3 guys plus you are saying it is that way ill believe it.
Quote from: Fenster on October 23, 2012, 04:52:35 PM
Nah if 3 guys plus you are saying it is that way ill believe it.
:D yep I get that...;)
Yeah so short version:
DON'T EVER FREAKING {MIND CONTROL} {KARONA FALSE GOD}!!!!
Cool. Thanks guys.
U r welcome...:D
Bump for taysby.