24 {Swamp}
24 lands
3 {Vampire Nighthawk}
3 {Geralf's Messenger}
2 {Nefarox, Overlord of Grixis}
3 {Diregraf Ghoul}
3 {Stuffy Doll}
4 {Blood Artist}
18 creatures
3 {Underworld Connections}
3 {Killing Wave}
2 {Victim of Night}
4 {Tragic Slip}
3 {Stab Wound}
3 {Mutilate}
18 other spells
Sideboard
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I want to add some {deathrite shaman}s but I don't know what to take out. Maybe {stuffy doll}? Also thinking about replacing {diregraf ghoul} with {thrill-kill assassin} since it has deathtouch and I have the option of unleashing it. Thoughts?
Yeah take out stuffy. Put the shamans in. As for diregraf, that's completely up to you. Only problem with thrill-kill, unleashed it can't block so deathtouch only works if they block it.
-2 {Nefarox, Overlord of Grixis}
-3 {Stuffy Doll}
-1 {Stab Wound}
+4 {Gravecrawler}
+2 {Desecration Demon}
Quote from: Greg54js on October 11, 2012, 06:25:08 PM
Yeah take out stuffy. Put the shamans in. As for diregraf, that's completely up to you. Only problem with thrill-kill, unleashed it can't block so deathtouch only works if they block it.
Yeah that's what I'm thinking. By the time I have the mana for stuffy, I could wait one more turn and drop Nefarox. In my opinion, diregraf is only good in opening hand, or if it's a straight zombie deck. After T1, the "enters battlefield tapped" kind of sucks because they'll most likely have something out by then. At least thril-kill can kill things.
I also need ideas for a replacement for {victim of night} in case my thought process backfires and they ARE playing heavy vamps, zombies, or werewolves. {Murder} maybe?
Quote from: Talock on October 11, 2012, 06:33:31 PM
-2 {Nefarox, Overlord of Grixis}
-3 {Stuffy Doll}
-1 {Stab Wound}
+4 {Gravecrawler}
+2 {Desecration Demon}
Problem with {gravecrawler} is it will be semi-useless if I do drop the diregrafs. {Desecration Demon} might go good with this though. Thanks for the input!
Wasn't there another black instant kill spell in RTR that has a competitive mana cost? Or is murder your only option?
Oh wait I'm thinking about {bone splinters}.. Not bad with messengers though..
Quote from: Greg54js on October 11, 2012, 06:48:38 PM
Wasn't there another black instant kill spell in RTR that has a competitive mana cost? Or is murder your only option?
Oh wait I'm thinking about {bone splinters}.. Not bad with messengers though..
Yeah bone splinters is good. I used it in a zombie token deck with good success. It's really good with messenger. Essentially four damage for one mana.
Okay so let's see:
Put in the bone splinters over victim of night
Take out stuffy sub in desecration demon and one more messenger
Drop the diregraf's for kill thrill (possible sideboard of diregraf's for mirror?)
An probably one more nighthawk.
I really like the idea of {desecration demon} the more I think about it. Either take one damage from {blood artist} and lose a creature, or tale your damage from the demon. And it's cheaper than Nefarox.
Quote from: Greg54js on October 11, 2012, 06:54:24 PM
Okay so let's see:
Put in the bone splinters over victim of night
Take out stuffy sub in desecration demon and one more messenger
Drop the diregraf's for kill thrill (possible sideboard of diregraf's for mirror?)
An probably one more nighthawk.
Dude I'm going to try all those out. Thanks for the input.
Also, definitely another nighthawk.
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on October 11, 2012, 06:55:55 PM
I really like the idea of {desecration demon} the more I think about it. Either take one damage from {blood artist} and lose a creature, or tale your damage from the demon. And it's cheaper than Nefarox.
Yeah however i'm not to sure what to put in for nefie unless you want four demons. Well actually if you drop nefarox and stuffy that opens 6 spots. +1 nighthawk +1 messenger +4 demon? That one I'm not to sure about..
Quote from: Greg54js on October 11, 2012, 06:58:45 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on October 11, 2012, 06:55:55 PM
I really like the idea of {desecration demon} the more I think about it. Either take one damage from {blood artist} and lose a creature, or tale your damage from the demon. And it's cheaper than Nefarox.
Yeah however i'm not to sure what to put in for nefie unless you want four demons. Well actually if you drop nefarox and stuffy that opens 6 spots. +1 nighthawk +1 messenger +4 demon? That one I'm not to sure about..
I have 2x Nefarox and 3x Stufy. Might try 3x Demons, 1x Messenger, 1x Nighthawk.
Ack, forgot about the Shamans. 3x Demon and 2x Shamans maybe?
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on October 11, 2012, 08:28:40 PM
Ack, forgot about the Shamans. 3x Demon and 2x Shamans maybe?
Shoot... Maybe 3 shaman 2 demon?
Quote from: Greg54js on October 11, 2012, 09:00:54 PM
Quote from: Mikefrompluto on October 11, 2012, 08:28:40 PM
Ack, forgot about the Shamans. 3x Demon and 2x Shamans maybe?
Shoot... Maybe 3 shaman 2 demon?
I'm going to try both set ups and see what works best. Thanks again for your input!
Hey no problem :) that's what this is for
I played some games on Cockatrice and it is really good. It was over before I could drop {desecration demon}, and {deathrite shaman} got dealt with immediately before I could use its ability. It did the best against token decks for obvious reasons, which is good because I feel like we'll be seeing a ton of those via RtR.
{Ultimate Price} isn't half bad for a Victim replacement. I thought really hard about whether or not to run {Victim of the Night}, but I feel like the odds of seeing a Vampire or a Zombie are just too high. The Werewolf part is pretty close to irrelevant.
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on October 12, 2012, 03:42:43 AM
{Ultimate Price} isn't half bad for a Victim replacement. I thought really hard about whether or not to run {Victim of the Night}, but I feel like the odds of seeing a Vampire or a Zombie are just too high. The Werewolf part is pretty close to irrelevant.
Yeah I have to see what's going on with my meta before I can say if it has a use in this deck or not. {Bone Splinters} seemed to do really well, especially with {Geralf's Messenger}.
I want to squeeze a couple {shimian scepter}s in here but don't know where. Thoughts?
I'm a fan of {blood artist} lots of cool interactions. Consider {alters reap} and {dis entomb}.
Quote from: Almosteric on October 15, 2012, 02:39:28 AM
I'm a fan of {blood artist} lots of cool interactions. Consider {alters reap} and {dis entomb}.
I actually have both in the sideboard that I'm putting together for this. I'll have to see what else is going on with my meta before I know what else to put in it.