If you use a populate card on {precursor golem} wouldn't you double your tokens each time?
PS: I know that {rite of replication} is better I just like that there are a lot of useful populate cards and they are at common/uncommon rarity
{rootborn defenses}
Doesn't look like populate technically targets, so precursor golem won't trigger off of it.
Oh well then never mind I guess....
Quote from: Gorzo on October 09, 2012, 11:05:02 PM
{rootborn defenses}
Doesn't look like populate technically targets, so precursor golem won't trigger off of it.
I agree, I believe it would be the same as proliferate, where you just 'add another counter' and it doesn't have to target. :)
{sundering growth} them for fun or do it with indestructable or shroud available
What would happen if you {cackling counterpart} the {precursor golem} and then populated. Would the effect then create a chain reaction of tokens?
Populate wouldnt work at all it has the same wording as a copy creature like clone or pheryxian metamorph it just says you make a copy of the token doesnt say make a copy of "target" token. Now if you cackling counterpart it you could populate the token and get another 2 golems everytime you populate bc it says when it enters battlefield.
You could also put deadeye navigator paired and make him enter play a bunch of times creating a lot of extra golems then use cackling counterpart make that many copies then rites of replicate them and make 5x more. So say you do the deadeye pair and make the golem exile and return 6 times thats 15 golems then cackling counterpart it thats 30 golems then rite it with the kicker thats 90 golems
Your math is a little off, cackling counterpart would make a copy of each golem making you have 30 golems, however, one of those copies would be of the original golem causing an additional 2 golem tokens when it enters the battlefield so 32 golems, due to the original golem's ability rite of replication would target all 32 golems 32*5= 160 but you have 2 of the original golem so when they get copied 5 times each for a total of 10 you get 2 tokens when each etb total of 20 160+20=180
Actually our math was way off ok 1 plus the 2 then {deadeye navigator} 6 times adds 12 more so 15 then cackling counterpart becomes 32 then {rites of replicate} adds another 180 plus the original 32 it copied is 212 then {snapcaster mage} it for 24 of the original golem and 900 of the tokens then add all together plus the 48 new tokens with a grand total of 1184 golems
Yea i think i just won unless you have a day like card unless i got a {darksteel forge} out
Not to mention if you have a few {Parallel Lives} or {Doubling Season}s on the field
With both from the beginning 5608.
And you can do this all with blue and a green opponent with the cards. Just copy enchantment and steal enchantment.
Not to be "that guy" but one {lightning bolt}, {unsummon}, or {doom blade} and all of those golems are dead no matter how many you make. It's a fun combo but precursor golem is very vulnerable to removal, so be careful using it as your win con.
Darksteel forge takes care of that all of them are artifacts
I've once {Sword to Plowshere} my 2HG partner's golems after they were targeted by a {Lightning Bolt}. Jumped up from 20 sonething up to the 300s. Would had won the game sooner had I not played {Silent Arbiter} during that game ;D
Okay so I just ordered the pieces for this deck.. Looks so sweet :D thanks for the idea
EDH dec with {Riku of Two Reflections} as your general.
Quote from: Nobbert on October 11, 2012, 07:41:03 PM
EDH dec with {Riku of Two Reflections} as your general.
Okay play the Precursor golem and copy it with Riku you now have 6 golems. Rite of replication a precursor, you'll have 56 golems. Copy rite with Riku and you'll have 336 golems. Cackling Counterpart a precursor and you'll have 816 golems. Copy that with Riku and you'll have 1920 golems.
Be sure to have {Fervor} on board.
I think that's right. Somebody should try it in MTGO though to make sure. Sorry if your computer blows up.
Quote from: Nobbert on October 11, 2012, 07:58:05 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on October 11, 2012, 07:41:03 PM
EDH dec with {Riku of Two Reflections} as your general.
Okay play the Precursor golem and copy it with Riku you now have 6 golems. Rite of replication a precursor, you'll have 56 (how does this happen? I dont get the math) golems. Copy rite with Riku and you'll have 336 golems. Cackling Counterpart a precursor and you'll have 816 golems. Copy that with Riku and you'll have 1920 golems.
Be sure to have {Fervor} on board.
Okay I don't quite understand the maths behind this... Care to explain
RTCs amigo. It's a long shot but the math is right. When {precursor golem} comes into play he makes other golem tokens. Riku's ability {if you've got the bg) allows you to copy it and make even more tokens. The other cards basically multiply the number of tokens that come into play to rediculous amounts. Making an army worthy of Mordor. Right up to the first {black suns zenith} for 3 which would wipe them all out. Be a neat combo with effects that trigger when creatures die...hint hint. Do tokens go to the graveyard? I don't remember the ruling on that but they definately die.
Quote from: Nobbert on October 11, 2012, 07:58:05 PM
Quote from: Nobbert on October 11, 2012, 07:41:03 PM
EDH dec with {Riku of Two Reflections} as your general.
Okay play the Precursor golem and copy it with Riku you now have 6 golems. Rite of replication a precursor, you'll have 56 golems. Copy rite with Riku and you'll have 336 golems. Cackling Counterpart a precursor and you'll have 816 golems. Copy that with Riku and you'll have 1920 golems.
Be sure to have {Fervor} on board.
Watch them {murder} one and copy it 1919 times
With a demons horn in play, that's a lot of black spells and a lot of life..lol
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on October 11, 2012, 09:53:48 PM
RTCs amigo. It's a long shot but the math is right. When {precursor golem} comes into play he makes other golem tokens. Riku's ability {if you've got the bg) allows you to copy it and make even more tokens. The other cards basically multiply the number of tokens that come into play to rediculous amounts. Making an army worthy of Mordor. Right up to the first {black suns zenith} for 3 which would wipe them all out. Be a neat combo with effects that trigger when creatures die...hint hint. Do tokens go to the graveyard? I don't remember the ruling on that but they definately die.
I get the cards.
Riku gives you an extra 3 golems. Then you lost me after that. Unless you're kicking right or rep I don't see how you're getting all the tokens :S
{Rite of replication} with a kicker I'm assuming, and riku copies spells too. Not sure where all this mana is coming from...
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on October 11, 2012, 10:06:58 PM
{Rite of replication} with a kicker I'm assuming, and riku copies spells too. Not sure where all this mana is coming from...
Yeah me either. But anyway my deck is only a causal deck of 60 cards
I suppose if all these spells were free it would be a serious threat. Phew. I feel better.
Quote from: Gorzo on October 10, 2012, 03:54:22 PM
Not to be "that guy" but one {lightning bolt}, {unsummon}, or {doom blade} and all of those golems are dead no matter how many you make. It's a fun combo but precursor golem is very vulnerable to removal, so be careful using it as your win con.
One could say {Asceticism} and {Coat of Arms} makes those useless.
One could say {black sun's zenith}
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on October 11, 2012, 10:12:11 PM
I suppose if all these spells were free it would be a serious threat. Phew. I feel better.
{Omniscience} and in response to your earlier post yes tokens go to the graveyard
So if I have coat of arms out without the green enchantments you could make 180 mana without going infinite to black sun only a day like card would work
Riku let's you copy spells too. So ya know.
Also to everyone coming up with answers, we get it. You guys are all just annoying little gnats. The point of the combo corner is for COMBOS not to go HURR DURR MANA LEAK DERP
{counterspell}
{reverberate}
{blue elemental blast}
{red elemental blast}
{thwart}
"Damn, You can cast your {darksteel relic} then."
Darksteel Forge won't save them from Dismember
No but the {coat of arms} will save them from dismember. Also I'd also be playing blue bc of using rites and other copies a like so why wouldnt I have counterspells
Quote from: Darius on October 09, 2012, 10:54:43 PM
If you use a populate card on {precursor golem} wouldn't you double your tokens each time?
PS: I know that {rite of replication} is better I just like that there are a lot of useful populate cards and they are at common/uncommon rarity