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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: darkarts981 on October 08, 2012, 07:41:21 AM

Title: Regen. Off First Strike
Post by: darkarts981 on October 08, 2012, 07:41:21 AM
What happens? For example if I block a 4/3 {Lotleth Troll} with a {Thalia, Gaurdian of Thraben} equipped with a {Silver Inlaid Dagger}. I was surprised coming across this, because I had never come across it before! Does the Troll still deal damage? Or dies it just "not die"?
Title: Re: Regen. Off First Strike
Post by: Wally on October 08, 2012, 07:44:26 AM
Regerate is stored up and used when the creature should die.
When it is used it "removes the damage dealt to the creature, taps it and removes it from combat"

So, if you kill it with first strike, it would just not die, but also it wouldn't get to do any damage.
Title: Re: Regen. Off First Strike
Post by: Willthomjr on October 08, 2012, 01:08:28 PM
First strike damage step is prior to damage step (regular)

Thalia would kill the troll before the troll would be able to deal any damage to her. It would regenerate if you pay for it and be tapped.
Title: Re: Regen. Off First Strike
Post by: Gorzo on October 08, 2012, 05:38:23 PM
Quote from: Wally on October 08, 2012, 07:44:26 AM
Regerate is stored up and used when the creature should die.
When it is used it "removes the damage dealt to the creature, taps it and removes it from combat"

So, if you kill it with first strike, it would just not die, but also it wouldn't get to do any damage.

Probably the best way you could possibly word it. Well said.

I miss the gavels :P
Title: Re: Regen. Off First Strike
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on October 12, 2012, 03:32:30 PM
I was under the impression that you couldn't regenerate from a {tragic slip} cause its not damage...
Title: Re: Regen. Off First Strike
Post by: Willthomjr on October 12, 2012, 03:38:16 PM
Quote from: Double-O-Scotch on October 12, 2012, 03:32:30 PM
I was under the impression that you couldn't regenerate from a {tragic slip} cause its not damage...

Well, -1-1 whether its a counter, or until EOT the creature is put into the graveyard due to having 0 toughness. You can regenerate, but it'd be a waste. When a creature regenerates, it's not put Into the graveyard, all damage "falls off" and the creature is tapped.

So yes, if the toughness is 0 it goes to the gy.
Title: Re: Regen. Off First Strike
Post by: Double-O-Scotch on October 12, 2012, 03:39:50 PM
That's what I thought. That's why {tragic slip} is sooo good.