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Title: Ponder or Preordain?
Post by: Shivix on January 08, 2012, 07:14:14 PM
What do you guys prefer? {Ponder} or {Preordain}?

Personally I prefer Preordain because Ponder only really changes the order you draw the cards and I feel your more restricted.
Title: Re: Ponder or Preordain?
Post by: cltrn81 on January 08, 2012, 07:19:02 PM
Preordain fo shizzle
Title: Re: Ponder or Preordain?
Post by: Grexis on January 08, 2012, 07:46:06 PM
Ponder because of the shuffle
Title: Re: Ponder or Preordain?
Post by: BlackJester on January 08, 2012, 07:57:26 PM
To me these cards are equivalent 80% of the time.
Title: Re: Ponder or Preordain?
Post by: Rass on January 08, 2012, 08:42:30 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on January 08, 2012, 07:57:26 PM
To me these cards are equivalent 80% of the time.
Lol can I see you spread sheets where you come up with thes number
Title: Re: Ponder or Preordain?
Post by: BlackJester on January 08, 2012, 09:05:08 PM
Quote from: Rass on January 08, 2012, 08:42:30 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on January 08, 2012, 07:57:26 PM
To me these cards are equivalent 80% of the time.
Lol can I see you spread sheets where you come up with thes number

I wouldn't want to bore you with the details. 😜
Title: Re: Ponder or Preordain?
Post by: Queezle on January 08, 2012, 09:49:06 PM
Quote from: Grexis on January 08, 2012, 07:46:06 PM
Ponder because of the shuffle
I agree
Title: Re: Ponder or Preordain?
Post by: BlackJester on January 08, 2012, 10:10:18 PM
Okay, so one main difference is that {Ponder} is all-or-nothing. Either you keep all three or shuffle up. If you didn't like them and shuffle, there is a chance you could draw an unwanted card anyway. With {Preordain} you can keep two, one, or none. If you didnt like either of the cards you can bury them an have a 0% chance of drawing them them for some time.
{Preordain} can work with {Cellar Door}, {Ponder} will have you take damage from {Psychogenic Probe}. If your deck is already randomized, putting the top two on the on bottom leaves the rest in random order anyway.
{Ponder} let's you look one card deeper, so if you are digging for combo pieces it's slightly better.
Title: Re: Ponder or Preordain?
Post by: Rass on January 08, 2012, 11:05:48 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on January 08, 2012, 09:05:08 PM
Quote from: Rass on January 08, 2012, 08:42:30 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on January 08, 2012, 07:57:26 PM
To me these cards are equivalent 80% of the time.
Lol can I see you spread sheets where you come up with thes number

I wouldn't want to bore you with the details. 😜
Lol nice move
Title: Re: Ponder or Preordain?
Post by: cltrn81 on January 08, 2012, 11:19:43 PM
To be able to look at 2 cards and put them on the bottom of your library if they are not what you are looking for is much better than looking at and reordering 3 cards that must stay on top.  Preordain wins hands down IMHO.
Title: Re: Ponder or Preordain?
Post by: BlackJester on January 08, 2012, 11:42:54 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on January 08, 2012, 11:19:43 PM
To be able to look at 2 cards and put them on the bottom of your library if they are not what you are looking for is much better than looking at and reordering 3 cards that must stay on top.  Preordain wins hands down IMHO.

Well, they don't have to stay on top.  You could shuffle.
Title: Re: Ponder or Preordain?
Post by: Prophylaxis on January 09, 2012, 02:33:04 AM
I like {Ponder}, but that may be just because I've played with it more :P
Title: Re: Ponder or Preordain?
Post by: Spikepit on January 09, 2012, 02:34:57 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on January 08, 2012, 10:10:18 PM
Okay, so one main difference is that {Ponder} is all-or-nothing. Either you keep all three or shuffle up. If you didn't like them and shuffle, there is a chance you could draw an unwanted card anyway. With {Preordain} you can keep two, one, or none. If you didnt like either of the cards you can bury them an have a 0% chance of drawing them them for some time.
{Preordain} can work with {Cellar Door}, {Ponder} will have you take damage from {Psychogenic Probe}. If your deck is already randomized, putting the top two on the on bottom leaves the rest in random order anyway.
{Ponder} let's you look one card deeper, so if you are digging for combo pieces it's slightly better.
I'll just lock the comments closed there, shall I? Nothing else needs to be said ... No? ... Dindt think so. 😜