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Title: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Dudecore on October 06, 2012, 01:38:00 PM
To be used for discussions involving standard. FNM results. Questions about which cards to use. Bragging about your personal creations. Ect.

Keep it positive and fun.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Mathias1066 on October 06, 2012, 08:29:53 PM
Hey I play heavy token deck and my friend was thinking of ideas to make it faster and standard. He thought about turning it from W/G to a bant deck. I was testing with this and was thinking about using more draw and using {cackling counterpart} in there to clone things that will populate or a {primordial hydra} to have a massive buffs with it along with {Geist of saint traft} I have been testing with stuff and want to see if you guys have any ideas on stuff for bant populate deck
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Dudecore on October 06, 2012, 08:38:17 PM
I've been experimenting with an esper deck that has tokens. The only "populate" cards I can use are the ones printed {W} like {Rootborn Defense}. I think it has some application, and it's a chance to get some more looks at my deck.

Edit: Bant ({U}{W}{G}) can effectively do the same thing I'm attempting. The literal only reason I added {B} was the flashback on {Lingering Souls} (for now, until we see Orzhov and Dimir in Gatecrash)

Here is a link: http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?topic=12809.0

Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Hunteroffire9 on October 07, 2012, 10:42:31 AM
How come tcgplayer still has the pre rotation decks up that are not legal anymore
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Hunteroffire9 on October 07, 2012, 10:42:54 AM
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on October 07, 2012, 10:42:31 AM
How come tcgplayer still has the pre rotation decks up that are not legal anymore
In the standard section
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: ChrisRodriguez on October 07, 2012, 07:30:13 PM
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on October 07, 2012, 10:42:54 AM
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on October 07, 2012, 10:42:31 AM
How come tcgplayer still has the pre rotation decks up that are not legal anymore
In the standard section
Because some of those decks are from MTGO and they don't get RtR for an other week or so online. So there still playing with scars and m12 stuff.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Hunteroffire9 on October 07, 2012, 07:40:17 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on October 07, 2012, 07:30:13 PM
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on October 07, 2012, 10:42:54 AM
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on October 07, 2012, 10:42:31 AM
How come tcgplayer still has the pre rotation decks up that are not legal anymore
In the standard section
Because some of those decks are from MTGO and they don't get RtR for an other week or so online. So there still playing with scars and m12 stuff.
Have there been any big post ravnica tournaments
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Dudecore on October 07, 2012, 07:53:46 PM
In post-rotation times you really see a combination of fresh new deck ideas that don't last, people reviving decks that worked pre-rotation or decks that didn't work pre-rotation (I just basically described every deck).

Until we get a top deck (ie Delver) then it's hard to plan decks. We've got all the tools to beat every playstyle, but it's hard to know what your decks most favorable matchups are if you've got not clue what you're matching up with.

So we tend to return to more basic archetypes. Aggro, Control and Combo. Once we've spotted the *NEW* top deck, then were gonna run into Gatecrash.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: ChrisRodriguez on October 07, 2012, 09:14:54 PM
Starcity Games open happened yesterday. Here is a link to the deck list.
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/deckshow.php?&start_date=2012-10-07&end_date=2012-10-07&event_ID=19
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Dudecore on October 07, 2012, 10:02:34 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on October 07, 2012, 09:14:54 PM
Starcity Games open happened yesterday. Here is a link to the deck list.
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/deckshow.php?&start_date=2012-10-07&end_date=2012-10-07&event_ID=19

The top 20 decks couldn't be any different. Jeez.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: ChrisRodriguez on October 07, 2012, 10:52:44 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on October 07, 2012, 10:02:34 PM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on October 07, 2012, 09:14:54 PM
Starcity Games open happened yesterday. Here is a link to the deck list.
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/deckshow.php?&start_date=2012-10-07&end_date=2012-10-07&event_ID=19

The top 20 decks couldn't be any different. Jeez.
It will be like that for the 1st couple of weeks. After that it should change. The meta just needs to get established. We all knew zombies was the best deck at the start of this new standard. Soon we will see different decks.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: MaDeM MaD on October 08, 2012, 12:37:33 AM
I feel my b/r Aggro deck is a good amount better than that one.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Hunteroffire9 on October 08, 2012, 10:29:03 AM
Gw aggro did pretty good😃 I am going to play it this Friday
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: ChrisRodriguez on October 08, 2012, 11:47:27 AM
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on October 08, 2012, 10:29:03 AM
Gw aggro did pretty good😃 I am going to play it this Friday
I played it this past Friday and topped 4 with it.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Hunteroffire9 on October 08, 2012, 11:49:26 AM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on October 08, 2012, 11:47:27 AM
Quote from: Hunteroffire9 on October 08, 2012, 10:29:03 AM
Gw aggro did pretty good😃 I am going to play it this Friday
I played it this past Friday and topped 4 with it.
I just built 1
20 minutes ago and it's doing amazing
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Fenster on October 12, 2012, 03:49:25 AM
I need help! Im going to start going to fnm and participate in the "tournament".
I need to know how to play tournament style! What to expect! What to not expect ;D
In going with my BUG Zombie deck wich currently only features {Diregraf captain} as blue but i want to add H-lich and grimgrin. But enough about the deck! I need to know what the hell is going on! And what i should do!
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Bloodguilt on October 12, 2012, 08:37:48 AM
Fenster, Post your deck on the forums and ask what decks will hurt your strategy. But really be ready for anything you'll see all kinds of decks. I used to play a U/r shape anew deck which was similar to u/w shape anew but better against aggro decks.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Fenster on October 12, 2012, 12:34:42 PM
Posted! "Need help with bug zombies"
Please help ;D
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Dudecore on October 12, 2012, 11:48:57 PM
Went 4-1 FNM, the match I lost was sloppy play on my part, and 1 outright face beating from Rakdos. I was quite happy. I feel like it needs more counters, but everything is so inferior...

More often then not, I used {Snapcaster Mage} as a flash blocker, because of all the special hate paid toward him, I hardly had anything in my Graveyard, also a complete lack of a way to reload my hand. All things to overcome in due time.

http://imtgapp.com/forum/index.php?topic=12809.0
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Dudecore on October 17, 2012, 11:07:43 PM
Working on a Naya Midrange deck. I think with {Restoration Angel} and it's interaction with {Huntmaster of the Fells}, {Thragtusk}, {Thundermaw Hellkite} even down to {Boarderland Ranger} can be pretty darn awesome.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Coffee Vampire on October 20, 2012, 12:19:28 PM
I went to FNM to trade with people for my new jank deck and someone let me borrow a GW deck. Went 3/2 with it so that's cool. But my main excitement was that I got 2 packs...in one was dreadbore AND a foil dreadbore. Next was rakdos's return. That night I traded for most of what I need. Ima happy camper :)
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Monrodesign on October 31, 2012, 05:36:08 PM
Anyone see Delver in their FNM's?
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Kaleo42 on October 31, 2012, 06:30:04 PM
Quote from: Monrodesign on October 31, 2012, 05:36:08 PM
Anyone see Delver in their FNM's?
{guttersnipe} and {vexing devil} both out shine him a lot.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Monrodesign on October 31, 2012, 07:11:00 PM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on October 31, 2012, 06:30:04 PM
Quote from: Monrodesign on October 31, 2012, 05:36:08 PM
Anyone see Delver in their FNM's?
{guttersnipe} and {vexing devil} both out shine him a lot.

I'm wanting a UW Talrand deck and does Delver beat {Judge's Familiar}?
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Monrodesign on October 31, 2012, 07:12:25 PM
4x *
4x {Snapcaster Mage}
3x {Talrand, Sky Summoner}

* = WHO!?!?

Edit: Could make this deck Esper as well.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Wally on November 01, 2012, 05:50:07 PM
Quote from: Monrodesign on October 31, 2012, 07:12:25 PM
4x *
4x {Snapcaster Mage}
3x {Talrand, Sky Summoner}

* = WHO!?!?

Edit: Could make this deck Esper as well.

{Archaeomancer}?
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Dudecore on November 01, 2012, 11:24:18 PM
I'm having a dispute with my playgroup. We basically play Legacy, but some of us said "let's try standard". I have an obvious advantage of money, I have 4 of nearly every good standard card: 4 {bonfire of the damned}, {Snapcaster}, {Thragtusk}, {Cavern of Souls} (not even in a deck at this point), {Geist of Saint Traft}, ect.

My ability to outspend my opponents has lead to Standard not being fun at all for them. I am a firm believer that {Snapcaster Mage} is the only way blue is playable, and therefore draw their ire. The best creature in our meta is {Ash Zealot} and {Desecration Demon}.

Since I'm such a spike, I don't see why they should play 6/6 on turn 4 is "fair" and I can't use {Snapcaster Mage} to reuse my graveyard? But that is why I'm appealing to a different crowd, I like control and playing blue. I need a budget control build without $5+ cards in it.

I've played long enough to know that players are butthurt about counters. They feel like they should be able to curve into every spell that they want to cast. But since the best counter is {Dissipate}, and it isn't conditional, the upset is being able to {Snapcaster Mage} and reuse it. That is 5 mana. I feel like I've got to dumb it down.

Standard is an environment of self-fulfilling prophecies. Blue doesn't get awesome cards because {Snapcaster Mage} is around, and you need {Snapcaster Mage} to compete because blue doesn't have awesome cards. {Thragtusk} was designed to bypass control ({Unsummon} and a myriad of destroy effects), but unfortunately becomes the go-to card for any deck with Green in it, because its so good and such a threat.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Gorzo on November 02, 2012, 11:29:46 AM
Why can't you use snapcasters, especially if they are using ash zealots that are pretty much designed specifically to go against snappy? I think the answer would be to increase the fun everyone can have, instead of limiting/reducing the amount of fun you can have just because you have more options readily available.

If the price/value gap between you and your friends is really that great that your friends are saying it makes it less fun for them, have you considered sharing your decks, lending them cards, or allowing proxies? Any of these options will let your friends play beefed up decks on par with your own without them spending a fortune to "catch up."
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Wally on November 07, 2012, 12:37:57 AM
I posted this in general chat yesterday but was overshaddowed by the next and more popular topic.. :P

A card I would really like to see reprinted in the current block is {Trailblazer's Boots}.
What's my chances?
Thoughts?

Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Dudecore on November 07, 2012, 02:11:17 AM
Quote from: Wally on November 07, 2012, 12:37:57 AM
I posted this in general chat yesterday but was overshaddowed by the next and more popular topic.. :P

A card I would really like to see reprinted in the current block is {Trailblazer's Boots}.
What's my chances?
Thoughts?

I don't think it will see major play. Cards that don't really cantrip, give buffs or protection don't often get played. I mean...for cheaper you could {Artful Dodge}, just nobody plays that card because unblockable just doesn't warrant a spot in the deck. I could see them printing it again, it's not insane or meta breaking, it's uncommon.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Dudecore on November 07, 2012, 11:20:08 AM
Is anyone already more tired of {Thragtusk} then you were of {Delver of Secrets}? I feel like while {Delver of Secrets} was annoying, he wasn't indestructible, he has a conditional flip and the control package built around him was more annoying.

{Thragtusk} is now in every single deck that can play him, his only drawback is his mana cost (how come they didn't learn from the Titans?) and since they've effectively marginalized {Delver of Secrets}, another year+ of dealing with Thraggy....ugh
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Mikefrompluto on November 07, 2012, 11:46:50 AM
Year+? Wont he rotate out when the next block drops next October?
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Dudecore on November 07, 2012, 11:55:06 AM
Well sure, until next October...he'll be annoying till then.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Mikefrompluto on November 07, 2012, 11:59:06 AM
Is it bad that i want to put him in my defender deck? I wish i wouldve held onto the one i had instead of trading it when it was an $8 card.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Dudecore on November 12, 2012, 09:44:09 AM
Would people prefer we:
A) Lose the standard chat area in favor of a "FNM Results" thread?
B) Keep the Standard Chat Thread and attempt to push it more?
C) Do both.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Hunteroffire9 on November 12, 2012, 08:09:12 PM
D do both I like this thread and I would like a fnm thread
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Silent1236 on November 14, 2012, 03:49:34 PM
I'm planning on going to my first FNM this Friday, so I don't know the meta at all.  I'm going to try my Rakdos Aggro deck, but I don't have a sideboard :-\  Any staple {R}{B} cards to chuck into the SB? 
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Mikefrompluto on November 15, 2012, 08:08:16 AM
Quote from: Silent1236 on November 14, 2012, 03:49:34 PM
I'm planning on going to my first FNM this Friday, so I don't know the meta at all.  I'm going to try my Rakdos Aggro deck, but I don't have a sideboard :-\  Any staple {R}{B} cards to chuck into the SB?

{slaughter games}?
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Seth5000 on November 15, 2012, 02:41:08 PM
I say do both
Is there any way a RB Argo can get rid of or beat a counter deck my RB deck always loses to them
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Dudecore on November 15, 2012, 04:04:17 PM
Beating control is about damaging them early and getting more and more creatures out. {B}{R} Zombies is a good deck.
Title: Re: Standard Chat Thread
Post by: Wally on November 15, 2012, 04:08:26 PM
Or by playing stuff they can't stop/react to.
Eg. Creature abilities. Also scavenge is great for this too.
Oh yeah, and slaughter games is great as it can't be countered. Pick their most annoying counter :)