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Title: Flashback overload?
Post by: Jakbaaw on October 04, 2012, 04:11:49 PM
It's unavoidable, snapcasters r gonna flashback sells with overload. Any reason one would not b able to play the targeted spell for its overload cost?
Title: Re: Flashback overload?
Post by: Monrodesign on October 04, 2012, 04:25:32 PM
Quote from: Jakbaaw on October 04, 2012, 04:11:49 PM
It's unavoidable, snapcasters r gonna flashback sells with overload. Any reason one would not b able to play the targeted spell for its overload cost?

I don't see why not.
Title: Re: Flashback overload?
Post by: Mothaelon on October 04, 2012, 06:49:21 PM
Overload isn't anything but paying extra money for the spell to do something better

So yes you can snapcaster for an overload, since the overload cost would be the spells mana cost
Title: Re: Flashback overload?
Post by: Agrajagzz9 on October 06, 2012, 11:05:45 PM
No it can't. It's the same reason you can't flashback force of will by discarding a blue card. Castin it with flashback counts as an alternate method of casting as does its overload cost an you cannot flash back an overload at the same time aka use two alternate forms of casting

So no. You can't flashback AND overload the same card
Title: Re: Flashback overload?
Post by: Fenster on October 07, 2012, 05:45:22 AM
Im gonna toss my two cents in and say yes. Because I think i read somewhere you can flashback kicker costs.
Title: Re: Flashback overload?
Post by: Gorzo on October 07, 2012, 05:56:41 AM
Pretty sure Agrajag is right. Overload is an alternate cast, as is flashback. You wouldn't be able to do both, only one or the other. Kicker on the other hand is an additional cost, not an alternate.

Plus, if you think about flashback hard enough, it says "pay this exact specified cost (which isn't the casting cost, though it may be equal to it); cast the card from your graveyard." While overload says "pay this cost instead of the casting cost: do overload effect." If you're flashing back, you're not paying the casting cost that overload is programmed to replace.

Divide by 0.
Title: Re: Flashback overload?
Post by: Fenster on October 07, 2012, 06:09:29 AM
I say! That sounds rather logical, good sir!
I vote we gavel this skallywagger!
Title: Re: Flashback overload?
Post by: Greg54js on October 07, 2012, 10:56:00 AM
BUT DIVIDING BY 0 IS ILLEGAL!!!!!
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Title: Re: Flashback overload?
Post by: Kaleo42 on October 07, 2012, 01:12:25 PM
Judge wiki says no you cant overload and flashback simultaneously for the reasons stated above.
Title: Re: Flashback overload?
Post by: darkarts981 on October 08, 2012, 07:43:57 AM
NO! Snapcaster key wording: flashback cost is equal to MANA COST.
Title: Re: Flashback overload?
Post by: Fenster on October 08, 2012, 08:00:24 AM
A little bit late to the party there Darkarts? ;D