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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Phat Max on September 30, 2012, 03:35:40 PM

Title: Act of Treason
Post by: Phat Max on September 30, 2012, 03:35:40 PM
If I use {Act of Treason} on something, does the 'end of turn' return of the creature portion use the stack? Would {Sundial of the Infinite} allow me to steal creatures indefinitely.
Title: Re: Act of Treason
Post by: Fenster on September 30, 2012, 05:15:33 PM
Nah i dont think so.
I cant remember how it worked though.
Title: Re: Act of Treason
Post by: Poof on September 30, 2012, 05:21:30 PM
Sundial ends the turn act of treason says u control creatures till end of turn.  Sundial skips the beginning of the end step stuff though.
Title: Re: Act of Treason
Post by: Poof on September 30, 2012, 05:27:16 PM
{sudden disappearance} is what I wanted to say it returns everything at beginning of end step u can skip that part with sundial. 
Title: Re: Act of Treason
Post by: BlackJester on September 30, 2012, 08:10:48 PM
If it says "...until end of turn..." Sundial doesn't do anything. If it says "At end of turn.." it uses the stack at the sundial trick works.
Title: Re: Act of Treason
Post by: Gorzo on September 30, 2012, 09:55:47 PM
To clarify, Sundial doesn't actually stop any triggers from happening/being added to the stack. What it DOES do is exile the stack, then end the turn. Because the turn still ends after it's done, "until end of turn" effects like {act of treason} or {giant growth} still end. But because the stack exiles, if you wait for a "at the beginning of the next end step" trigger to go on the stack, like {stone idol trap}, you can exile the stack (and the trigger). In the case of the trap, you would keep the 6/12 trampler, but only if you use the sundial WHILE the trigger is ON the stack.
Title: Re: Act of Treason
Post by: Phat Max on September 30, 2012, 11:25:31 PM
After I had re-read the card, I came to the same conclusion. As always, look at the wording.
Title: Re: Act of Treason
Post by: CajunJynx on October 01, 2012, 09:42:57 PM
{Cloud shift}ing the creature would let you keep it though, right?
Title: Re: Act of Treason
Post by: Elitehalo360 on October 01, 2012, 10:54:36 PM
Quote from: CajunJynx on October 01, 2012, 09:42:57 PM
{Cloud shift}ing the creature would let you keep it though, right?
Yes.
Title: Re: Act of Treason
Post by: CajunJynx on October 02, 2012, 02:16:44 AM
I really do like shift and the dial.