2 {Cavern of Souls}
6 {Swamp}
6 {Forest}
4 {Woodland Cemetery}
4 {Overgrown Tomb}
22 lands
2 {Bloodthrone Vampire}
4 {Geralf's Messenger}
3 {Slitherhead}
4 {Gravecrawler}
3 {Deathrite Shaman}
4 {Dreg Mangler}
2 {Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord}
4 {Lotleth Troll}
26 creatures
4 {Rancor}
4 {Tragic Slip}
4 {Abrupt Decay}
12 other spells
Sideboard
2 {Deadly Allure}
2 {Garruk Relentless}
2 {Pithing Needle}
3 {Golgari Charm}
2 {Liliana of the Veil}
4 {Tribute to Hunger}
15 sideboard cards
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{Blood Artist}?
Yeah, I can't see having a huge field presence at any given time, just a bunch of big creatures won't really know until its tested
Update bump ideas
Quote from: Bernardcs on September 21, 2012, 11:57:49 AM
{Blood Artist}?
He works great with {killing wave}. he also gives a bonus to you just for blowing other creatures.
Needs more scavenge.... Maybe {Slitherhead}?
{liliana of the dark realms} works well with jarad as you get swamps to keep jarad coming back.
{splinterfright}?
I just have no idea how to get splinter fright in there.
I could consider
- 1 deathrite shaman
- 1 grave crawler
- 1 jarad
- 2 sever the bloodline
+ 3 slitherhead
+ 2 Lilliana of the dark realm
Keep crawler as a 4 of
Quote from: MaDeM MaD on October 06, 2012, 02:43:38 PM
Keep crawler as a 4 of
yeah I feel crawler > slitherhead
Your curve is petty low, so I would -4 Far Seek, +3 Blood Artist +1 Lotleth Troll
Quote from: Chadgamer on October 06, 2012, 05:20:30 PM
Your curve is petty low, so I would -4 Far Seek, +3 Blood Artist +1 Lotleth Troll
Cool I can see that, would you say you favor my first potential edit above ^
Like the others I say keep Crawler at 4. I haven't had a chance to see Shaman in action so idk about him. Slitherhead has great interaction with Lotleth, and I personally don't like playing Planeswalkers so I would favor Slither over Lily
Alright I'll mull it over and throw out a new count
If I changed the deck I'd do this:
-4 Farseek
-4 (4cmc removal, not a fan and don't remember name)
+4 blood seeker
+1 Lotleth Troll
+3 Slitherhead
Blood seeker, not standard
{Deathrite Shaman} can hit anyone's GY with its abilities. Would be great in a deck like this.
Quote from: Phat Max on October 06, 2012, 06:53:21 PM
{Deathrite Shaman} can hit anyone's GY with its abilities. Would be great in a deck like this.
Yes totally love him
Yeah artist is what I meant, my bad
Bond beetle?
Quote from: jfrazz21 on October 07, 2012, 07:54:48 AM
Bond beetle?
No, it's not good enough for a slot in this, the one drops are already sick.
Although, I'm a huge fan of {Grim Backwoods}! Maybe over Cavern? Cavern is good, but Backwoods gives you card advantage and allows you to sac your dudes in response to Wraths and chump blocks. Turning a dude into another card isn't bad, and it would be optional. Something to think about.
Decided on the last two
Pre fnm bump
You caught me with your 2 box fnm post, here's my input. Splinter fright as mentioned works pretty good, as does wreath of geists as a replacement for rancor if you go with splinter. {Spider Spawning} also works nicely with graveyard work. In your side I prefer {Sheltering Word} to rangers guile, but I think that's personal preferance, good luck
Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on October 07, 2012, 04:41:41 PM
Quote from: jfrazz21 on October 07, 2012, 07:54:48 AM
Bond beetle?
No, it's not good enough for a slot in this, the one drops are already sick.
Although, I'm a huge fan of {Grim Backwoods}! Maybe over Cavern? Cavern is good, but Backwoods gives you card advantage and allows you to sac your dudes in response to Wraths and chump blocks. Turning a dude into another card isn't bad, and it would be optional. Something to think about.
Totally just saw this one, I just wish grim backwoods wasn't so expensive
Quote from: Vyse on October 11, 2012, 03:43:23 PM
You caught me with your 2 box fnm post, here's my input. Splinter fright as mentioned works pretty good, as does wreath of geists as a replacement for rancor if you go with splinter. {Spider Spawning} also works nicely with graveyard work. In your side I prefer {Sheltering Word} to rangers guile, but I think that's personal preferance, good luck
I like splinterfright and wreath, I just don't know that I feel comfortable with the amount of self mill I have to make good use of him, and I like the continuity I've currently bred, I may have to look into sheltering word though
I wanna say drop a {vraska} her abilities are too slow she doesn't offer much and I'd say replace it with a {pithing needle} to shutdown a lot of the new abilities
Quote from: Ericlay95 on October 11, 2012, 04:13:33 PM
I wanna say drop a {vraska} her abilities are too slow she doesn't offer much and I'd say replace it with a {pithing needle} to shutdown a lot of the new abilities
That actually isn't a bad idea, I feel like i should run it at 2 (pithing needle) unless 1'is enough
No {bloodthrone vampire} or messenger?
I love bloodthrone for these decks, swing with team, let them declare blockers, then sac off and buff the vampire
Quote from: Mothaelon on October 11, 2012, 05:51:37 PM
No {bloodthrone vampire} or messenger?
I love bloodthrone for these decks, swing with team, let them declare blockers, then sac off and buff the vampire
Or it bloodthrone gets through, play gravecrawler, sac, play sac, play sac, play sac, play sac etc
And of course messenger is good, just can't really fit him
In my opinion, board your Lilliana and get rid of vraska, mainly to make this a better Aggro deck (my opinion) vraska slows this deck down, you could put your 4 messengers in with those 4 gone now
Then I'd suggest -1 abrupt decay (late game won't be necessary and 4 may or may not produce dead cards if a late/mirror arises) and -1 slither cause with how many one drops you have, you would rather more of them than slither, which don't get me wrong, is an amazing card, but you could throw in 2 bloodthrone now and possibly find room for a third with maybe taking out a shaman, that's your call
Again, just my opinion, you may have different reasons for your choices
I agree with some of the suggestions like {Bloodthrone Vampire} and {Geralf's Messenger} instead of {Vraska, the Unseen}. It would speed up your deck and add to your creature count. I'd also suggest sideboarding an {Abrupt Decay} and something else for 2 {Pithing Needle}s. Those are invaluable, especially if facing a mirror-match.
Not that it's likely, but you should also be thinking what would happen if someone Jace'd out your Vraska.
These last couple suggestions im really starting to dig, I will have to do some digging to pick up the messengers tomorrow
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on October 11, 2012, 11:09:34 PM
These last couple suggestions im really starting to dig, I will have to do some digging to pick up the messengers tomorrow
It's just hard to win playing a midrange zombie to me
Cause the idea of the deck is to swarm and overwhelm, you try slowing that down and your later game gets trampled by board wipes and semi/full control
I can't really speak for mutilate. But golgari charm potentially handle supreme verdict
And bonfire
Edited
Las suggestion
Jus cut the vraska and run a third Lilliana
Lilliana is a powerhouse cause its essentially 3 mana for a kill, which is most sacrifice/kill cards
Plus she can help you from the discard
But she is handled easily via abrupt decay and early game counters it's why I like her in the sideboard
I mainly like her because its an alternative to help Against Geist of saint taft
Geist has hexproof, her -2 wouldn't work
Tribute to hunger answers Geist
I meant liliana since that's who we were talking about lol
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on October 12, 2012, 09:25:16 AM
I meant liliana since that's who we were talking about lol
Sorry, lol
Got mixed up
And yes she does work against control decks or Geist or any hexproof
My last suggestion, this is for sideboard
Take out the abrupt decay (honestly you would rarely find yourself needing to board it in with the charms as well) and one sever the bloodline to sideboard two {garruk relentless}
He can ping either an opponents creature and flip, or even your messenger to get 2 damage back to an opponent for undying
And if an opponent isn't playing flying, and you can block consistently, you can make an army of death touch wolves or sac off onto your bloodthrone vampire and then ult him to make her a 50/50 with trample and win the game
His ult + bloodthrone is dumb crazy
-2 {Forest}
+2 {Swamp}
Quote from: DirtyMustachio on October 11, 2012, 06:57:44 PM
Quote from: Mothaelon on October 11, 2012, 05:51:37 PM
No {bloodthrone vampire} or messenger?
I love bloodthrone for these decks, swing with team, let them declare blockers, then sac off and buff the vampire
Or it bloodthrone gets through, play gravecrawler, sac, play sac, play sac, play sac, play sac etc
And of course messenger is good, just can't really fit him
Can't do it at instant speed
Well I mean if its an open shot you do it prior but that's what so great about doing it with gravecrawler it's not like your losing anything but mana, and the relentless may be a good idea