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Magic (The Gathering) => Rules => Topic started by: Coffee Vampire on September 14, 2012, 08:35:12 AM

Title: Delver Triggas
Post by: Coffee Vampire on September 14, 2012, 08:35:12 AM
Can I wait to {Tragic Slip} a {Delver of Secrets} until my opponent reveals a card, and then in response to that I slip it before it turns into a 3/2? Or does the revealing and the flipping all happen at once, so I have to kill it in response to my opponent beginning to look at the card?
Title: Re: Delver Triggas
Post by: BlackJester on September 14, 2012, 10:41:53 AM
Nope.

There's no time between the reveal and transform.
Title: Re: Delver Triggas
Post by: Greg54js on September 15, 2012, 10:12:27 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 14, 2012, 10:41:53 AM
Nope.

There's no time between the reveal and transform.
Wow then my group played that one wrong.
Title: Re: Delver Triggas
Post by: Fishsticks123 on September 15, 2012, 10:21:32 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 14, 2012, 10:41:53 AM
Nope.

There's no time between the reveal and transform.


Yes you can. The Delver dlip trigger goes on the stack so you CAN respond to it with a tragic slip.
Title: Re: Delver Triggas
Post by: Coffee Vampire on September 15, 2012, 11:17:28 AM
I think he is saying that while you can respond to the trigger, you can't wait until after the card is revealed, because the card is revealed at the same time as delver flips.
Title: Re: Delver Triggas
Post by: BlackJester on September 15, 2012, 11:20:17 AM
The ability goes on the stack, and that can be responded to. But once the ability starts resolving and they look at the card, you have to wait for the whole ability to finish before responding.

As I said, there is not point in time where they reveal an instant or sorcery but before it becomes a 3/2 for you to kill it with -1/-1.
Title: Re: Delver Triggas
Post by: Phat Max on September 15, 2012, 07:49:27 PM
HOWEVER!

If they have two delivers that are both unflipped, you can kill one in response to the other flipping.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Delver Triggas
Post by: BlackJester on September 15, 2012, 09:25:32 PM
True story.
Title: Re: Delver Triggas
Post by: Imdowd80 on September 16, 2012, 12:31:40 AM
Quote from: Phat Max on September 15, 2012, 07:49:27 PM
HOWEVER!

If they have two delivers that are both unflipped, you can kill one in response to the other flipping.

Cheers!

?? Both don't flip at the same time?  Can I flip both on one turn?
Title: Re: Delver Triggas
Post by: Coffee Vampire on September 16, 2012, 01:01:34 AM
You can but the delvers are too fat to fit on the stack at the same time...I guess they are more like "eater of secrets".
Title: Re: Delver Triggas
Post by: BlackJester on September 16, 2012, 11:42:22 AM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 16, 2012, 01:01:34 AM
You can but the delvers are too fat to fit on the stack at the same time...I guess they are more like "eater of secrets".
They're both on Le Stack, just that one delver is on top of the other.

Say you have a {Think Twice} in hand. The first Delver's ability resolves and you look at the top of your deck. If it's not an instant or sorcery, you can cast your {Think Twice} while the second Delver's ability is still on the stack in hopes that the next card will flip the other Delver.

Capice?
Title: Re: Delver Triggas
Post by: Imdowd80 on September 16, 2012, 01:19:10 PM
So. I look at the top of my deck, flip delver A. draw step, then look again for delver B?
Or. Look at top card, not a sorcery for delver A, {think twice} draw, look for delver B?
Title: Re: Delver Triggas
Post by: BlackJester on September 16, 2012, 01:47:19 PM
Quote from: Imdowd80 on September 16, 2012, 01:19:10 PM
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Look at top card, not a sorcery for delver A, {think twice} draw, look for delver B?
This one.