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Title: Red Deck
Post by: Deeliser10 on January 02, 2012, 05:36:13 PM

Red Deck

60 cards, 0 sideboard


20 {Mountain}

20 lands


4 {Stromkirk Noble}
1 {Urabrask the Hidden}
4 {Priest of Urabrask}
4 {Stormblood Berserker}
4 {Goblin Fireslinger}
4 {Chandra's Phoenix}

21 creatures


2 {Chandra, the Firebrand}
4 {Arc Trail}
4 {Shock}
4 {Infernal Plunge}
1 {Past in Flames}
2 {Devil's Play}
2 {Shrine of Burning Rage}

19 other spells


Sideboard
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: Deeliser10 on January 02, 2012, 05:39:00 PM
My attempt at a rdw deck.  I know there are too many cards and would love some input.  I used the {priest of urabrask} for some free creature drops. 
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: Goblinking on January 02, 2012, 07:05:43 PM
I would say side the shines they just take up space and maby cut shock to2 over 4
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: cltrn81 on January 02, 2012, 07:17:04 PM
Quote from: Goblinking on January 02, 2012, 07:05:43 PM
I would say side the shines they just take up space and maby cut shock to2 over 4

Sideboard {shrine of burning rage}???? I disagree.  That is a nice card when you are casting a lot of red.....it is a ticking time bomb that can finish off your opponent.
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: BlackJester on January 02, 2012, 07:17:58 PM
Quote from: Goblinking on January 02, 2012, 07:05:43 PM
I would say side the shines they just take up space and maby cut shock to2 over 4

O_o. Leave the shrines!  Eek!
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: Goblinking on January 02, 2012, 07:19:08 PM
In my experience the just take up space it was just an idea
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: BlackJester on January 02, 2012, 07:28:59 PM
If an uncommon goes for over $1.50 it's usually worth looking into.
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: Goblinking on January 02, 2012, 07:53:02 PM
I have like 16 of them
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: Deeliser10 on January 02, 2012, 08:33:39 PM
Maybe drop two {goblin fires linger} and 2 {shock} to round out the deck?  I'd like to keep the {shrine of burning rage} in there as an end game. 
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: cltrn81 on January 02, 2012, 08:44:14 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on January 02, 2012, 07:28:59 PM
If an uncommon goes for over $1.50 it's usually worth looking into.

That was my exact thought.
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: BlackJester on January 02, 2012, 08:45:42 PM
Quote from: Goblinking on January 02, 2012, 07:53:02 PM
I have like 16 of them

I'll take some if you don't want them. XD
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: cltrn81 on January 02, 2012, 09:02:55 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on January 02, 2012, 08:45:42 PM
Quote from: Goblinking on January 02, 2012, 07:53:02 PM
I have like 16 of them

I'll take some if you don't want them. XD

Ditto
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: BrokenPillar on January 02, 2012, 09:29:40 PM
I would try dropping the {Inferno Titan}s. I know they are a powerhouse, but 20 lands is pretty low to support them. On average it would take you until about turn 11 to pull 6 lands (with 1 in 3 cards being land, you need an average of 18 cards to pull 6 lands with your current ratio, minus 7 for opening hand = turn 11 ish). With a deck this aggressive something has probably gone wrong with it if you got that far. Your only real chance to make them useful is to pair them with {Infernal Plunge}, but that wouldn't happen enough to make them better than a different card in this deck IMO.

Also, {Gut shot} works better than {Shock} to enable {Stormblood Beserker} earlier, and {Volt Charge} works with all the counters going around, but if you do all of that you are starting to look a lot like the standard RDW making the rounds right now.Not sure if that matters to you or if you were trying to do something different.

PS I agree with keeping {Shrine of Burning Rage}. If anything I would try to up the count on them.
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: Goblinking on January 02, 2012, 10:03:08 PM
My freinds {naturalize} them to much for use
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: BlackJester on January 02, 2012, 10:07:08 PM
@BrokenPillar:  ðŸ'ðŸ'ðŸ'ðŸ' Way to bust out the Math/Stats!  🌟 for you!

That's good deck analysis, folks.
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: Deeliser10 on January 02, 2012, 10:22:37 PM
If some casts a {naturalize} can't u just pop it before it settles?
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: Deeliser10 on January 02, 2012, 10:31:30 PM
I took out the titans and realized I only have one {urabrask the hidden} and one {past in flames}
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: BrokenPillar on January 02, 2012, 10:46:01 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on January 02, 2012, 10:07:08 PM
@BrokenPillar:  ðŸ'ðŸ'ðŸ'ðŸ' Way to bust out the Math/Stats!  🌟 for you!

That's good deck analysis, folks.

Heh, sorry if that was a little much. I have just found that mana base is one of the trickiest things to get right when building a deck. Being able to see that "____ Titan" is awesome is pretty easy, getting your mana right so that he makes it onto the table sometimes is not as easy.

Nothing sadder than getting your opponent to 2 life with only four lands out and an {Inferno Titan} in hand wishing he was a cheap burn spell.
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: BlackJester on January 02, 2012, 11:25:19 PM
Quote from: BrokenPillar on January 02, 2012, 10:46:01 PM
Heh, sorry if that was a little much. I have just found that mana base is one of the trickiest things to get right when building a deck. Being able to see that "____ Titan" is awesome is pretty easy, getting your mana right so that he makes it onto the table sometimes is not as easy.

Nothing sadder than getting your opponent to 2 life with only four lands out and an {Inferno Titan} in hand wishing he was a cheap burn spell.

I don't think that was too much at all.  I agree that managing your land count is what separates good players from great players, and here on the forums is a great way for new players to learn more.
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: Spikepit on January 02, 2012, 11:59:22 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on January 02, 2012, 11:25:19 PM
I don't think that was too much at all.  I agree that managing your land count is what separates good players from great players, and here on the forums is a great way for new players to learn more.
ðŸ'ŒHear hear!
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: Goblinking on January 03, 2012, 12:38:59 AM
I agree still think green may pose a small problem for this deck
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: Deeliser10 on January 03, 2012, 12:56:08 AM
What about {traitorous blood} as an answer to green?
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: BrokenPillar on January 03, 2012, 01:18:12 AM
Quote from: Deeliser10 on January 03, 2012, 12:56:08 AM
What about {traitorous blood} as an answer to green?

I don't think it would fit main deck, but it would be a perfect start to your sideboard (or maybe that is what you meant).

I would say 3 + or - 1 should do it. (Look, more math, do I get another gold star? ;) )
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: BlackJester on January 03, 2012, 01:31:45 AM
Quote from: BrokenPillar on January 03, 2012, 01:18:12 AM
Quote from: Deeliser10 on January 03, 2012, 12:56:08 AM
What about {traitorous blood} as an answer to green?

I don't think it would fit main deck, but it would be a perfect start to your sideboard (or maybe that is what you meant).

I would say 3 + or - 1 should do it. (Look, more math, do I get another gold star? ;) )

3 +/- 1  == 2,3,4 ==  >1.  ðŸ'ŽðŸŒŸ this time. 😜
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on January 03, 2012, 02:41:25 AM
Keep the shrines! I'd say take it to three, if not even four. I mean yes, green will hate on the shrines like no other, but when they're not getting nattied, they are AMAZING bombs and finishers, your also gonna want to throw a couple (I use three) {Ancient Grudge}s into the sideboard, as well as throwing some {Rootbound Crag}s in the main to make the flashback super easy. The Crag's also don't disrupt manabase seeing as how they're coming in untapped almost every time if you have at least one mountain out.

Personally I prefer {Act of Aggression} over {Traitorious Blood} due to the fact that it's instant speed. This enables their turn shenanigans and it can also technically cost the same amount (that is, if you don't mind losing a little life). But that is really a prefference choice, either way those also hit the sideboard.
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on January 03, 2012, 02:48:42 AM
Without playtesting I can see that this deck will also play quite differently than mine, so as far as maindeck goes, I don't want to change anything you've done there. The last thing I'd want to do is make your deck something entirely different than what you envisioned, but the sideboard assistance I gave you should help. Also, get a feel fit your Meta (That's assuming you frequent FNM), this can greatly help in your making of a great sideboard.

Every amazing deck needs an equally amazing sideboard =] Remember that.
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: Prophylaxis on January 03, 2012, 10:39:16 AM
I can't do statistics well but I can assure you that {Hero of Oxid Ridge} is better than Urabrask.
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: BlackJester on January 03, 2012, 10:57:20 AM
I think Hero might be worse in a mirror match.  IMHO
Title: Re: Red Deck
Post by: InfinitiveDivinity on January 03, 2012, 05:30:02 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on January 03, 2012, 10:57:20 AM
I think Hero might be worse in a mirror match.  IMHO
I can agree with that from personal experience, maybe Urabrask in the board? The Hero is really good.