Stemming off a conversation we had touched upon in another thread. What would be the Modern P9? Cards printed in Modern frames (8th Edition core set and all expansion printed afterwards). They're cards not on the Reserve List, but likely will never be reprinted.
My list is as follows:
1.) {Jace, the Mind Sculptor}
2.) {Skullclamp}
3.) {Snapcaster Mage}
4.) {Umezawa's Jitte}
5.) {Tarmogoyf}
6.) {Dark Confidant}
7.) {Sensei's Divining Top}
8.) {Stoneforge Mystic}
9.) {Chrome Mox}
I especially like number 8)
I'm not well versed in any of the older cards really, but I know that I've heard a lot about all of those cards being pretty powerful. I know the power of Jace is pretty blatant, but I'm not totally sure about the others :-\
No delver? No swords? Those are pretty powerful
#2 no? I get it was banned, but does that make it a P9 card?
I think some equipment could make this list. {sword of fire and ice}?
Quote from: Willthomjr on September 04, 2012, 11:37:09 PM
#2 no? I get it was banned, but does that make it a P9 card?
I think some equipment could make this list. {sword of fire and ice}?
{skullclamp} is stupid powerful. I dont think very many equipments need to make it on here after that and jitte. I almost feel {path to exile} earns a spot here, but i like this order as is.
I think {skullclamp} should be #1. Not only is it banned in modern it's also banned in legacy. A card I would have put on the list is {hypergenesis}.
#1, 2, 4, 7, 8, and 9 on that list are banned in Modern. To me, that completely removes their power for the Modern format (unless that's not what you meant? ???).
In comparison, the real Power 9 is at least legal, albeit restricted, in Vintage.
I think the OP just meant cards that have been printed in Modern.
Is the list just a list, or the order important?
I'd say just a list
Quote from: Testset on September 05, 2012, 01:54:10 AM
SOFAI is definitely the best of the five, in my opinion. What I love about this list is that I own all of these except Snappy, Tarm, and the Jitte...
What about {Crucible of Worlds}?
Too conditional. Its great in certain decks, but does nothing alone.
{Stoneforge Mystic} is like 6 of the 9 items on the original p9 list, she breaks the all important mana rules. Cards that circumvent mana as a cost end up being the most broken, OP cards in the game: {Black Lotus}, {Force of Will}, {Mental Mistep}
She immediately replaces herself with the best equipment in your deck, and if she survives a turn, she bypasses mana cost for the equipment.
All the swords are good, but you still need to hit a player to reap rewards.
And {Tarmogoyf} is absolutely bananas! 🐒
I think the crucible is just too limited. Lands from graveyards sure is awesome. But thats that.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 05, 2012, 02:30:51 AM
{Stoneforge Mystic} is like 6 of the 9 items on the original p9 list, she breaks the all important mana rules. Cards that circumvent mana as a cost end up being the most broken, OP cards in the game: {Black Lotus}, {Force of Will}, {Mental Mistep}
She immediately replaces herself with the best equipment in your deck, and if she survives a turn, she bypasses mana cost for the equipment.
All the swords are good, but you still need to hit a player to reap rewards.
And {Tarmogoyf} is absolutely bananas! 🐒
I dislike that shes so powerful because she'd be fun if i could get my hand on one :P I just wish some equipments werent stupid powerful.
Swords are good with her, but she TRULY breaks {Batterskull}.
{Batterskull} is good in any deck and in my play group, it just makes any deck immediately viable in multiplayer. But yes, the stoneforge mystic completely circumvents the need for mana by tutoring for whatever equipment you need, batterskull, then putting into play.
Jace just has too many abilities for his mana cost, I get that planeswalkers are powerful but there's a limit to lore in gameplay.
I thought about {Arcbound Ravager} and {Ancestral Vision} too. They'd hit the short list.
{aether vial}
With {crucible of worlds} if a land is in your graveyard, can you use something like {seismic assault} to "discard" lands, since they are treated as though they were in your hand?
Quote from: Falcon182 on September 05, 2012, 12:08:35 PM
With {crucible of worlds} if a land is in your graveyard, can you use something like {seismic assault} to "discard" lands, since they are treated as though they were in your hand?
The oracle text was reworded, i am assuming for this reason.
Quote from: Kaleo42 on September 05, 2012, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: Falcon182 on September 05, 2012, 12:08:35 PM
With {crucible of worlds} if a land is in your graveyard, can you use something like {seismic assault} to "discard" lands, since they are treated as though they were in your hand?
The oracle text was reworded, i am assuming for this reason.
In other words, no.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 05, 2012, 09:55:54 AM
I thought about {Arcbound Ravager} and {Ancestral Vision} too. They'd hit the short list.
Is Ravager not here? Probably should be.
Agree on the Æther Vial, another card that bypasses mana.
Quote from: Testset on September 05, 2012, 11:40:05 AM
So, based off the "breaking mana rules" principle, what about {Stonehewer Giant}? I hesitate due to his CMC, but he takes the Mystic's ability to a whole new level, and delivers a beating while doing do.
It is the CMC that takes the wind out of his sails. By T5-6 the board state is a different landscape. Plus he doesn't have an impact when he hits, only if he survives to your next turn.
I'd scoop. 😝
How about a new power 9?
1. {Library of Alexandria}
2. {Tinker}
3. {Yawgmoth's Will}
4. {Mana Drain}
5. {Lion's Eye Diamond}
6. {Flash}
7. {Tolarian Academy}
8. {Jace, the Mind Sculptor}
9. {Necropotence}
Quote from: Dudecore on September 05, 2012, 02:12:34 PM
How about a new power 9?
1. {Library of Alexandria}
2. {Tinker}
3. {Yawgmoth's Will}
4. {Mana Drain}
5. {Lion's Eye Diamond}
6. {Flash}
7. {Tolarian Academy}
8. {Jace, the Mind Sculptor}
9. {Necropotence}
Why you no have {force of will} in dat list????
I think {bonfire of the damned} is close to qualifying for the modern power 9. Definetly standard power 9.
Quote from: cltrn81 on September 05, 2012, 02:13:59 PM
Quote from: Dudecore on September 05, 2012, 02:12:34 PM
How about a new power 9?
1. {Library of Alexandria}
2. {Tinker}
3. {Yawgmoth's Will}
4. {Mana Drain}
5. {Lion's Eye Diamond}
6. {Flash}
7. {Tolarian Academy}
8. {Jace, the Mind Sculptor}
9. {Necropotence}
Why you no have {force of will} in dat list????
I see {Force of Will} as one of the few cards that can actually stop any of those rediculous cards from their combos. And I'm horribly biased.
And a standard power 9 could be fun, but {Snapcaster Mage} is clearly 1.
Is bonefire seeing play in any other formats the standard?
Let's do a standard power 9 list.
Is that for Standard or Modern?
IMHO creatures that don't have an immediate effect do not deserve power titles. Obliterator is my go-to creature of all time, but I don't think he belongs on the p9 list of standard.
Quote from: Testset on September 06, 2012, 02:16:10 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 06, 2012, 02:15:30 PM
Is that for Standard or Modern?
Standard.
A) This list will change in about a month
B) Stoneforge is not in Standard 😜
{Runeclaw bear}
{Snapcaster Mage}
{Restoration Angel}
{Bonfire of the Damned}
{Geist of Saint Traft}
{Sublime Archangel}
{Huntmaster of the Fells}
{Gravecrawler}
Just some off the top of my head from Innistrad block.
{Mana Leak}
{Green Sun's Zenith}
{Black Sun's Zenith}
{Primeval Titan}
{Mental Misstep}
{Sword of War and Peace}
{Sword of Feast and Famine}
{Gitaxian Probe}
Quote from: KangaRod on September 06, 2012, 03:32:14 PM
Quote from: Testset on September 06, 2012, 02:08:25 PM
Nominees (in no particular order):
{Mox Opal}
{Stoneforge Mystic}
{Cavern of Souls}
{Bonfire of the Damned}
{Snapcaster Mage}
{Surgical Extraction}
{Phyrexian Obliterator}
{Sword of Feast and Famine}
{Sword of Body and Mind}
{Sword of War and Peace}
{Sublime Archangel}
{Mental Misstep}
{Batterskull}
{Geist of Saint Taft}
{Hero of Bladehold}
{Primeval Titan}
Am I missing anything?
With the exception of {Snapcaster Mage} and {Bonefire of the Damned} I really don't think any of those cards are overpowered.
Wizards does do its best to not make overpowered cards these days. Power 9, not overpowered 9 ;)
I'm a green player so mana ramp is my thing and to be honest if one of the following cards come out on my field that's game so my list goes. 1. Rofellos the Llanowar Emissary 2. Gauntlet of power 3. Mana Reflection 4. Doubling Cube 4. Caged Sun 5. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger 6. Extraplanar Lens 7. Drowned Catacombs 8. Primordial Hydra 9. Gelatinous Genesis which oddly enough is a card most people hate but before u hate it u should really look at it is all I'm sayin
That is a good idea. Rate your power 9's by color. I agree with a lot of those green power 9 but {green sun zenith} takes the cake on my green list......well after {Runeclaw bear} 😜
{U} Power 9 / Legacy
{force of will}
{daze}
{brainstorm}
{stifle}
{show and tell}
{delver of secrets}
{jace the mind sculptor}
{counterbalance}
{Intuition}
Quote from: cltrn81 on September 07, 2012, 09:56:08 AM
That is a good idea. Rate your power 9's by color. I agree with a lot of those green power 9 but {green sun zenith} takes the cake on my green list......well after {Runeclaw bear} 😜
{U} Power 9 / Legacy
{force of will}
{daze}
{brainstorm}
{stifle}
{show and tell}
{delver of secrets}
{jace the mind sculptor}
{counterbalance}
{Intuition}
No {mana drain}? It's arguably the worst of the bunch.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 07, 2012, 11:04:16 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on September 07, 2012, 09:56:08 AM
That is a good idea. Rate your power 9's by color. I agree with a lot of those green power 9 but {green sun zenith} takes the cake on my green list......well after {Runeclaw bear} 😜
{U} Power 9 / Legacy
{force of will}
{daze}
{brainstorm}
{stifle}
{show and tell}
{delver of secrets}
{jace the mind sculptor}
{counterbalance}
{Intuition}
No {mana drain}? It's arguably the worst of the bunch.
Edit: I see what you did there. Blue counters are the glue that keep Legacy together
Quote from: Dudecore on September 07, 2012, 11:04:16 AM
Quote from: cltrn81 on September 07, 2012, 09:56:08 AM
That is a good idea. Rate your power 9's by color. I agree with a lot of those green power 9 but {green sun zenith} takes the cake on my green list......well after {Runeclaw bear} 😜
{U} Power 9 / Legacy
{force of will}
{daze}
{brainstorm}
{stifle}
{show and tell}
{delver of secrets}
{jace the mind sculptor}
{counterbalance}
{Intuition}
No {mana drain}? It's arguably the worst of the bunch.
{mana drain} is not Legacy legal.....my list is just Legacy
Gelatinous Genesis still makes any "p-9" list I'm just saying no other card in magic is as flexible or as powerful. Let me make my case 5 mana 2 2,2s +1 card advantage. 7 3 3,3s + 2ca then high end lets say 15 mana is 7 7,7s +6 to card advantage no other card in magic that can do that I rest my case
Quote from: Mr.FireArmor on September 08, 2012, 08:29:19 AM
{Gelatinous Genesis} still makes any "p-9" list I'm just saying no other card in magic is as flexible or as powerful. Let me make my case 5 mana 2 2,2s +1 card advantage. 7 3 3,3s + 2ca then high end lets say 15 mana is 7 7,7s +6 to card advantage no other card in magic that can do that I rest my case
Quote from: DevilGin on September 08, 2012, 08:49:24 AM
Quote from: Mr.FireArmor on September 08, 2012, 08:29:19 AM
{Gelatinous Genesis} still makes any "p-9" list I'm just saying no other card in magic is as flexible or as powerful. Let me make my case 5 mana 2 2,2s +1 card advantage. 7 3 3,3s + 2ca then high end lets say 15 mana is 7 7,7s +6 to card advantage no other card in magic that can do that I rest my case
You're right, by gum! It's a good thing there's no way to kill all 7 7/7's for 15{R} in standard right now, undoing the card advantage.
*cough*{Bonfire of the Damned}*cough*
Darn this pesky sore throat. 😷
Quote from: BlackJester on September 08, 2012, 11:19:07 AM
Quote from: DevilGin on September 08, 2012, 08:49:24 AM
Quote from: Mr.FireArmor on September 08, 2012, 08:29:19 AM
{Gelatinous Genesis} still makes any "p-9" list I'm just saying no other card in magic is as flexible or as powerful. Let me make my case 5 mana 2 2,2s +1 card advantage. 7 3 3,3s + 2ca then high end lets say 15 mana is 7 7,7s +6 to card advantage no other card in magic that can do that I rest my case
You're right, by gum! It's a good thing there's no way to kill all 7 7/7's for 15{R} in standard right now, undoing the card advantage.
*cough*{Bonfire of the Damned}*cough*
Darn this pesky sore throat. 😷
If u can stop 7 7,7s swinging on turn 5 more power to u but I doubt it,but nice try and just say u do its possible for a 21 cast Gelatinous Genesis for 10 10,10s swinging on turn 6 this is sort of thing is pretty common a good effort but unless Ur running mana ramp to keep pace ull always be a step behind.
How are you doing this by turn 5?
I cant be given away all my secrets all u need to know is I do it all the time and if u don't believe me Ur more than welcome to try me I'll put $100 on it lol
Quote from: Mr.FireArmor on September 08, 2012, 08:25:50 PM
I cant be given away all my secrets all u need to know is I do it all the time and if u don't believe me Ur more than welcome to try me I'll put $100 on it lol
::)
Lol can I add {kiln fiend} I have a deck on t3 I win.
Quote from: Mr.FireArmor on September 08, 2012, 08:25:50 PM
I cant be given away all my secrets all u need to know is I do it all the time and if u don't believe me Ur more than welcome to try me I'll put $100 on it lol
Well, I don't think the fact that you're able to generate 15 mana by turn 5 says anything good about the Ooze. Why not just cast {Emrakul, Aeons Torn}, take the extra turn and win?
I'm sure that amount of mana is easy with elves and opponents that don't run {Pyroclasm}s or something. ::)
Wait, so the bet is if you cant generate 15 mana by turn 5 AND cast the ooze you'll pay me $100? I like those odds.
Still, if you can gen that much, why not just {Squall Line} for lethal?
I might put {Karn Liberated} on the list
Quote from: Mr.FireArmor on September 08, 2012, 08:25:50 PM
I cant be given away all my secrets all u need to know is I do it all the time and if u don't believe me Ur more than welcome to try me I'll put $100 on it lol
Noballsnoballsnoballsnoballsnoballsnoballs
Quote from: Mr.FireArmor on September 08, 2012, 08:25:50 PM
I cant be given away all my secrets all u need to know is I do it all the time and if u don't believe me Ur more than welcome to try me I'll put $100 on it lol
Totally uncalled for...
Quote from: Tumalc on September 09, 2012, 07:42:44 PM
Quote from: Mr.FireArmor on September 08, 2012, 08:25:50 PM
I cant be given away all my secrets all u need to know is I do it all the time and if u don't believe me Ur more than welcome to try me I'll put $100 on it lol
Totally uncalled for...
Actually, I'm prepared to take on Mr.FireArmor, if we can come up with proper terms.
I've got $100 💰 on the table, you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvurmyXTFLk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Has anyone nominated {Isochron Scepter} yet? This card is insane.
Quote from: Leviathan on September 09, 2012, 11:03:22 PM
Has anyone nominated {Isochron Scepter} yet? This card is insane.
Good call!!!