Anyone think they'll bring back Eldrazi after the RtR Block?
According to some speculation from MTGSalv Gideon is on Ravnica to enlist some help to re-imprison the Eldrazi....
Thoughts?
I haven't seen anything about it, but that would be such an awesome thing to happen. Eldrazi <3
If they did this, the eldrazi would probably go way of the phyrexians. They'd lose their inate nature and become some new.
Wasn't to much of a fan of the eldazi. But I would love to go back to zendakar or even alara.
I would like to go back to zendikar one day, but I hope it's 5-7yrs from now so they can build up to it like they did with Ravinca. I want us to go back to Dominaria 1st. I want to know what has since the mending.
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 04, 2012, 08:01:45 PM
I would like to go back to zendikar one day, but I hope it's 5-7yrs from now so they can build up to it like they did with Ravinca. I want us to go back to Dominaria 1st. I want to know what has since the mending.
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Quote from: Greg54js on September 04, 2012, 07:06:22 PM
Anyone think they'll bring back Eldrazi after the RtR Block?
According to some speculation from MTGSalv Gideon is on Ravnica to enlist some help to re-imprison the Eldrazi....
Thoughts?
That is true.
It's plausible. Eldrazi was a huge hit so I'm sure they will be coming back.
It would be sweet if they returned as long as they don't rush it and screw it up.
Gideon is on Ravnica to get help imprisioning the Eldrazi, but he's also Boros. It might be a convienent way to add another familiar Planeswalker to the new set. Similar to how Liliana is hunting demons, and "oh look" Innistrad has demons! It's a convenient story telling device.
I don't think Eldrazi will appear so soon, but will be more a way to take Jace (and other Planeswalkers) away from the next block (after RtR), and introduce him and Gideon as a "Return to Zendikar" block.
If you wanna get wild with speculation, what I'd like to see happen is the Eldrazi invade Ravnica (in the untitled 3rd set), combine with the invasion of Zendikar to set up an inter dimensional standoff with all of the known PWs against the Eldrazi.
Personally I'd like reprints of the originals so I can have playlets of each with out breaking the bank
I'd like to see a reprint of {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} and him use his -1 ability to return the Eldrazi. And then dominate the universe! Bwah ha ha!
And then him beat up his weaker version that lives on Ravnica.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 04, 2012, 10:38:32 PM
I'd like to see a reprint of {Jace, the Mind Sculptor} and him use his -1 ability to return the Eldrazi. And then dominate the universe! Bwah ha ha!
And then him beat up his weaker version that lives on Ravnica.
I want a jace that is at least as good as baby jace. Or a reprint of that.
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 04, 2012, 08:01:45 PM
I would like to go back to zendikar one day, but I hope it's 5-7yrs from now so they can build up to it like they did with Ravinca. I want us to go back to Dominaria 1st. I want to know what has happened since the mending.
This. So much this. I've said before but Wizards should totally return to Dominaria and have the OG characters return as playable planeswalkers. How awesome would it be to see Gerrard, Captain of the Weatherlight as a planeswalker. Or Barrin, AND Urza. Yawgmoth @_@
We'd have to travel back in time, but I'm cool with that. 😌
Also, I think the pattern they are establishing (although they like breaking their own patterns) is to alternate between New setting-Old setting. So my guess is that we'll be off to somewhere new next block.
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 04, 2012, 08:01:45 PM
I would like to go back to zendikar one day, but I hope it's 5-7yrs from now so they can build up to it like they did with Ravinca. I want us to go back to Dominaria 1st. I want to know what has since the mending.
Precisely what I was thinking also
Quote from: Testset on September 05, 2012, 12:44:00 PM
Based on the reappearance of Tamiyo, is it hard to imagine a return to Kamigawa?
I wish i knew more of that lore, the bits i've heard painted it as a convoluted story. I could see the night and day cards of innistrad and dark ascension returning in a kamigawa revisit.
I doubt Tammy is heralding a return. Kamigawa wasnt a big hit with players like Mirrodin and Rav were.
Tammy was just convenient as a {U} PW that could be loosely connected to Innistrad while showing visitors from earlier blocks. I hope they do this more often, but I hate it when players moan about "why is there a random PW here from some other plane?" 'Cause that's what PWs do!
I would like to see them go back and do it much better.
It's a pretty short list of places to revisit. 📝
I think Kamigawa was underrated. People moan about it but it was "too thematic" with ninjas and samurais and spirits which does make them hard to splash. Kokusho the falling star and jitte, a lot of the Modern Banned cards are from kamigawa.
It's normally seen as a weak block but the amount of banned cards from it seem to state otherwise. 8)
{Kira, Great Glass-Spinner}, {Konda's Banner}, {Bushi Tenderfoot}.
Players (including myself) didn't like Kamigama. The Legendary creature overload, the huge casting costs for seemingly nothing of value in return and the fact that the cards from the set were barely ever played in constructed tournaments or FNM.
Mirrodin was just a better set, standard had a number of cards from that block. Kawigama came along, provided a few cards (barely any) and people kept playing Mirrodin.
Even {Umezawa's Jitte} took a backseat to Mirrodin's protection swords. And after Mirrodin rotation, Ravnica: City of Guilds came out. The rest is history.
Edit: I applaud them for trying something new, starting a new plane and new mythology. But thematically it wasn't interesting to be Ninja's and Samurai, it missed a target demographic. Didn't add any cool keywords or card types that have withstood the test of time. It was "bleh" follow-up to Mirrodin, and a poor precursor for Ravnica.
It's possible for them to create new worlds. innistrad is a perfect example. Thematically it's a tribute to horror films. Zombies, Werewolves, Vampires. It was compelling at very least, and we walk away with as many staples for eternal formats as anything Kawigama has given us. ({Snapcaster Mage}, {Geist of Saint Traft}, {Bonfire of the Damned}, {Grafdigger's Cage}, {Griselbrand}, {Restoration Angel}, {Cavern of Souls})
Quote from: Testset on September 05, 2012, 01:30:51 PM
I think my biggest Kamigawa complaint was the heavy emphasis on block-exclusive" spells, totally worthless outside of the set: {Minamo's Meddling}, {Hisoka's Defiance}, etc.
True of many blocks, sure, but I felt like Kamigawa was more guilty of it than most.
Agree, that set feels like if u want to play any cards from it that your deck needs to be from that set as well as your opponent. Every other set has a universal feel to it, like u can mix and match the cards to whatever u like (that is what makes magic so great), where as kamigawa just felt like if u want to use it then it needs to play from just that set.
Urza and Yawgmoth as PW = Epic. Even Squee would be a cool PW.....way cooler than TIBALT, THE DORKFACE!!!
I agree about the Kamigawa set......that whole set just confuses me cuz I can't distinguish between all the weird names of cards so they all blend together.
Quote from: Testset on September 05, 2012, 01:30:51 PM
I think my biggest Kamigawa complaint was the heavy emphasis on block-exclusive" spells, totally worthless outside of the set: {Minamo's Meddling}, {Hisoka's Defiance}, etc.
True of many blocks, sure, but I felt like Kamigawa was more guilty of it than most.
Arcane and Soulshift were very parasitic.
in my opinion the Eldrazi weren't powerful enough for their cost
I should add this to terms to know, but parasitic cards are ones that strongly encourage players to play with more cards like it, but nothing else. It helps add cohesiveness to a set, but just try to play Kamigawa cards with the first Mirrodin stuff. Modular and affinity didn't apply in Kam, and I don't remember too many spirits in Mirrodin.
They haven't made an Arcane card since.
Notice now how Inn block blends well with strategies already emerging from RtR cards.
Quote from: SorinMarkovMinion on September 05, 2012, 03:00:44 PM
in my opinion the Eldrazi weren't powerful enough for their cost
Seriously??
A {1}{0}cost 12/12 that draws you 4 cards makes an opponent sac 4 permanents when it attacks and shuffles your graveyard back into your library when it goes there isn't powerful enough for 10 mana??? Not to mention you can play them in any color deck...
I run a mono white deck that has a 8/8 Eldrazi with a mana cost of 8 and sacs 2 or 3 I forget which one
yes, and it doesn't do me any good
I'd like to go back to kamigawa let's not forget tetsuo umezawa toshiro's grandson. And tetsuo kicked bolas.butt up and down. Who knows what they could do with all that storyline
Quote from: SorinMarkovMinion on September 05, 2012, 03:33:08 PM
I run a mono white deck that has a 8/8 Eldrazi with a mana cost of 8 and sacs 2 or 3 I forget which one
Okay two questions:
A) what kind of mono white deck?
B) why the hell aren't you running the good ones?!?
I agree about kamigawa. I just like playing with ninjas right now. Haha but everyone is right. It is too standalone.
Quote from: Testset on September 05, 2012, 05:58:12 PM
I really wouldn't run Eldrazi without ramps or some way to bypass cost. Otherwise, you'll have a dead weight in your hand till turn 8 at the earliest.
I loves me my elfdrazi deck :)
Quote from: Testset on September 05, 2012, 05:58:12 PM
I really wouldn't run Eldrazi without ramps or some way to bypass cost. Otherwise, you'll have a dead weight in your hand till turn 8 at the earliest.
One in a deck for sng as a surprise is fun.
Nothing like playing a deck your opponent knows and surprising them with one.
Quote from: SorinMarkovMinion on September 05, 2012, 03:00:44 PM
in my opinion the Eldrazi weren't powerful enough for their cost
{Emrakul the Aeons Torn}? Ramp him out and your opponent generally just scoops.
I kill my friend with my eldrazi deck without the big three. I don't own any of them. So I rely on {hand of emrakul}, {artisan of koziks} and {it that betrays}. Those three are insane by themselves.
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on September 05, 2012, 06:41:16 PM
I kill my friend with my eldrazi deck without the big three. I don't own any of them. So I rely on {hand of emrakul}, {artisan of koziks} and {it that betrays}. Those three are insane by themselves.
I never really liked Hand of Emrakul, but Artisan and ITB are crazy
Being the spike that I am, I never resent Eldazi players, until they explain how awesome The Eldrazi are. Eldrazi are cool for Timmy and Jimmy, just leave me alone with how amazing they are. They're not reanimator targets, theyre not {Progenitus}, they're not viable IMO.
Quote from: Silent1236 on September 05, 2012, 06:30:01 PM
Quote from: SorinMarkovMinion on September 05, 2012, 03:00:44 PM
in my opinion the Eldrazi weren't powerful enough for their cost
{Emrakul the Aeons Torn}? Ramp him out and your opponent generally just scoops.
My legacy elf deck can get him out t3-4 consistently
Dudecore - I'm not gonna say the Eldrazi are the best out there, but I just favor them, personally. And you're right, they are definitely not good reanimator targets or anyting like that. ITB is the only really viable reanimator target, really.
Willthomjr - That is really cool, actually. I'm interested to know how, besides the fact that elves are good at that :P
Yeah but it's hard not to make yawgmoth to op I mean karn and the fully assembled legacy? How do you not make him op but gerrard and urza would be awesome
Quote from: Cindjor on September 05, 2012, 03:27:39 AM
Quote from: ChrisRodriguez on September 04, 2012, 08:01:45 PM
I would like to go back to zendikar one day, but I hope it's 5-7yrs from now so they can build up to it like they did with Ravinca. I want us to go back to Dominaria 1st. I want to know what has happened since the mending.
This. So much this. I've said before but Wizards should totally return to Dominaria and have the OG characters return as playable planeswalkers. How awesome would it be to see Gerrard, Captain of the Weatherlight as a planeswalker. Or Barrin, AND Urza. Yawgmoth @_@
Quote from: Silent1236 on September 05, 2012, 11:38:18 PM
Dudecore - I'm not gonna say the Eldrazi are the best out there, but I just favor them, personally. And you're right, they are definitely not good reanimator targets or anyting like that. ITB is the only really viable reanimator target, really.
Willthomjr - That is really cool, actually. I'm interested to know how, besides the fact that elves are good at that :P
I disagree about the reanimator target. I destroy people with {sheolrd the whispering one} and {it that betrays}. Amazing combo when both are on the field. I just keep stealing their creatures. This combo has made my reanimator unbeatable in my meta. So idk about you guys, but reanimating {it that betrays} or even {artisan of kozeliks} is a game changer in my opinion. I've actually pulled it off that I buried all three and by turn 2, I had them all out on the field.
Quote from: Quackmaster5 on September 05, 2012, 11:49:21 PM
Quote from: Silent1236 on September 05, 2012, 11:38:18 PM
Dudecore - I'm not gonna say the Eldrazi are the best out there, but I just favor them, personally. And you're right, they are definitely not good reanimator targets or anyting like that. ITB is the only really viable reanimator target, really.
Willthomjr - That is really cool, actually. I'm interested to know how, besides the fact that elves are good at that :P
I disagree about the reanimator target. I destroy people with {sheolrd the whispering one} and {it that betrays}. Amazing combo when both are on the field. I just keep stealing their creatures. This combo has made my reanimator unbeatable in my meta. So idk about you guys, but reanimating {it that betrays} or even {artisan of kozeliks} is a game changer in my opinion. I've actually pulled it off that I buried all three and by turn 2, I had them all out on the field.
Yeah, It that Betrays is a pretty cool reanimator target, and the only problem with Artisan is that he has to be cast for his effect to activate. Most cards like {Unburial Rites}, {Exhume}, {Zombify}, etc. say put on to the battlefield. Unless I'm having a total dumb moment, they would not activate his ability since he wasn't technically cast from the graveyard.
@ quack: You do know that artisan of koz. must be CAST to get any effect.
😳 omg I'm a cheater.
Definately going to rethink having those. But none the less, the whisperer/betray combo works.
Yeah it does...one of the coolest combos ever IMO :D
Thanks. I have to go apologize to my meta. They gunna be pissed. But even without the artisan, I still whip them with all the other goodies I have in that deck. 😝
{Show and Tell} and {Sneak Attack} which is essentially reanimator at this point don't play Eldrazi, their ETB is nothing, and I can put something out for free (which is {Jace, the Mind Sculptor}, or something awesome). Classic reanimator is unplayable confronted with {Daze}, {Cursecatcher} and {Force of Will}.
To explain why (which I'd love to) Eldrazi are really just Johnny cards (and people face described them as "broken", which is a automatic reaction to their power level) they're not highly playable, yet fun.
Quote from: Dudecore on September 05, 2012, 11:29:09 PM
Being the spike that I am, I never resent Eldazi players, until they explain how awesome The Eldrazi are. Eldrazi are cool for Timmy and Jimmy, just leave me alone with how amazing they are. They're not reanimator targets, theyre not {Progenitus}, they're not viable IMO.
No you're right they aren't either one of those things. If you want to get an eldrazi out it will take more skill and finesse to do. It's not like oh hey I'll drop this into my gy and bring it back and.. It's more like okay how can I get these big guys out faster without paying their mana cost but still casting them...
Have Eldrazi ever seen top tier play?
Quote from: BlackJester on September 06, 2012, 11:14:38 AM
Have Eldrazi ever seen top tier play?
{Emrakul, the Aeons Torn} appears occasionally in {Show and Tell}, but he's kinda rediculous. Theyre just "fun", which is why people like them. It's fun to dump an Eldrazi on the board.
I'd say it's fun to put down a 15/15, flying, pro-spells, Anihilator 6 fatty on as early as T1.
'Cause, you know, winning is fun. ;)
Quote from: Testset on September 06, 2012, 11:23:54 AM
Quote from: BlackJester on September 06, 2012, 11:14:38 AM
Have Eldrazi ever seen top tier play?
Seems like {Channel} Emrakul would cut it, doesn't it?
In standard during the zendikar block, there was a R/G eldrazi deck. Back when valakut decks were big. The meta was overrun by valakut and caw-blades. One fnm all the valakut players switched there decks to R/G eldrazi because everyone's sideboards were straight valakut hate. Also because the decks were so similar that they only had to change about four different cards. It was pretty competitive. Turn three and four eldrazi is kinda scary.