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Izzet Vengeance 60 cards, 0 sideboard 4 {Sulfur Falls} 8 {Mountain} 7 {Island} 4 {Steam Vents} 23 Lands 4 {Snapcaster Mage} 4 {Guttersnipe} 2 {Goblin Electromancer} 10 creatures 4 {Thought Scour} 4 {Desperate Ravings} 1 {Mystic Retrieval} 4 {Faithless Looting} 4 {Secrets of the Dead} 2 {Devil's Play} 2 {Burning Vengeance} 4 {Mizzium Morders} 2 {Izzet Charm} 27 other spells Sideboard Notes: Post-RTR Burning Vengeance. Will be uodated as new stuff is spoiled.

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First as it's a Burning Vengeance deck you may y'know run 4. Now after that in the current creature crazy metagame your going to need more removal, plain and simple. I'd run some Pillar of Flames, perhaps? This deck used to live on sweeper after sweeper, but we lost those in rotation.

I'd take out the Thought Scours. You want to PLAY your spells twice. Not mill them and then flash them after. Maybe add in Think Twice instead?

I agree with Bear, 4x {Burning Vengeance} and {Think Twice} seem too good in this deck. Also with the board sweeps. I know they're $1,000,000, but {Bonfire of the Damned}?

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on September 25, 2012, 04:41:22 PM
I agree with Bear, 4x {Burning Vengeance} and {Think Twice} seem too good in this deck. Also with the board sweeps. I know they're $1,000,000, but {Bonfire of the Damned}?

Bonfires at my shop go for 16-20 bucks now, it's value is gonna drop more when RtR releases.

Quote from: Monrodesign on September 25, 2012, 05:10:27 PM

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on September 25, 2012, 04:41:22 PM
I agree with Bear, 4x {Burning Vengeance} and {Think Twice} seem too good in this deck. Also with the board sweeps. I know they're $1,000,000, but {Bonfire of the Damned}?

Bonfires at my shop go for 16-20 bucks now, it's value is gonna drop more when RtR releases.

Wtf??? I'd love a $60 playset of Bonfires!!!

+4x {Think Twice}  -4 {Secrets of the Dead}

+2 {Burning Vengence}

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on September 25, 2012, 06:18:10 PM

Quote from: Monrodesign on September 25, 2012, 05:10:27 PM

Quote from: InfinitiveDivinity on September 25, 2012, 04:41:22 PM
I agree with Bear, 4x {Burning Vengeance} and {Think Twice} seem too good in this deck. Also with the board sweeps. I know they're $1,000,000, but {Bonfire of the Damned}?

Bonfires at my shop go for 16-20 bucks now, it's value is gonna drop more when RtR releases.

Wtf??? I'd love a $60 playset of Bonfires!!!

Haha Wichita.
'The City with Nothing'

4 {Faithless Looting} AND 4 {Thought Scour}?  Hm...

Quote from: Bear! on September 25, 2012, 04:28:03 PM
First as it's a Burning Vengeance deck you may y'know run 4. Now after that in the current creature crazy metagame your going to need more removal, plain and simple. I'd run some Pillar of Flames, perhaps? This deck used to live on sweeper after sweeper, but we lost those in rotation.

I'd take out the Thought Scours. You want to PLAY your spells twice. Not mill them and then flash them after. Maybe add in Think Twice instead?

Guttersnipe is strictly better than vengeance.

And secrets of the dead is insane, plain and simple. SO much card advantage. Also the 4 vengeance cos of the deck name is an odd comment too as Birthing Pod is usually a 2 or 3-of in poddecks

From the standpoint of actually playing the deck, 4 of is a must. You want multiples of BV. It's essential.. Now gutter+BV is where I'm thinking if taking the deck(with some enchantment removal for the new gy cards) Perhaps with the 8 similar shock effects, sweepers aren't as needed, maybe. But the worst matchups were aggro decks like humans and zombies.

Quote from: Fishsticks123 on September 26, 2012, 09:44:16 PM

Guttersnipe is strictly better than vengeance.

Strictly betters are extremely rare, and this isn't one of them. Guttersnipe is a creature with 2 toughness, and as such is subject to way more removal than an enchantment. While Guttersnipe in a vacuum is generally a better card than Vengeance, you can't claim that it is Strictly better. That being said, no one suggested you remove Guttersnipe for more Vengeance. They are both engines for you and you want 4 of both.