My LGS called just now saying they have a realms for me at MSRP :)
I was wondering...what should I do with it? I think wait until RTR or Gatecrash then trade it for any new mono black control items that I need.
But maybe someone here has something better to offer? Pr suggestions on what to do with it (keep it sealed or open).
No clue I'm keeping mine sealed. Next to my other three(still trying to get a dragons).
I do know one person who is looking for it and has some good trade bait.
Hopefully I will be able to get 3 more...I can only realistically see myself getting one more though, with my small paychecks xD
My LGS told me they would sell it at MSRP so I took off work early.....cost me $75 in wages. I figured it was worth it to get off early and only pay MSRP for the set. I get there and they are selling them for $80. I am at a loss for words at how 😡 I am right now.....
I checked Walmart first thing this morning......no realms
Quote from: KangaRod on August 31, 2012, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on August 31, 2012, 02:46:11 PM
I checked Walmart first thing this morning......no realms
Yeah, my only hope is that they haven't stocked the shelves until this afternoon
Imma head there straight after work.
Quote from: KangaRod on August 31, 2012, 04:30:19 PM
me too. I cannot justify 250% markup on anything. Why didn't Wizards just MSRP it at $100?
Because then it would be $250? ;D
These are so limited that big chain stores like wal mart and target don't get any. That's my understanding anyway I've never seen them there in the past same for the event decks never see those at the big stores. They do get duel decks though
Wizards states the whole point of this set is so ppl can play with cards they normally cannot afford to. They need to sell them direct to consumers 🔨
So Walmart won't have them?? But the one I work at currently doesn't even have a spot on the shelf for them if that's any indicator
Quote from: KangaRod on August 31, 2012, 04:30:19 PM
me too. I cannot justify 250% markup on anything. Why didn't Wizards just MSRP it at $100?
I think that's where they're going with Commander Arsenal.
Let's take a second to study the value chain model. This model states that as a manufacturer I need to ensure that value is be added to my product throughout each stage of the distribution channel. For example, my transportation company who ships my products is fast, efficient, and gets the products where they need to be ... my retailers offer great customer support and make people feel good about purchasing my products and/or offer gaurantees or warranties. Now how the does a LGS offer any added value to the product when they mark it up 300% and all they are doing is taking it out of the UPS box and giving it to you???? Fricking WoTC needs to either offer this 💩 directly to consumers or stop putting a suggested MSRP that is complete BULL💩❕❕❕❕
And yes I am still steaming about those CS'ers at my LGS, The Dragon's Refuge in Peotone, IL......AKA DOUCHEBAGS OF AMERICA!
Supply & Demand, my friend.
I kinda see it as a way for WotC to reward LGSs and other distributors. If they can make a profit of off MSRP, then imagine how much extra coin they are getting.
Wizards is saying "here's something players will pay lots of money for, and you can mark WAY up. Your welcome!"
Remember, WotC isn't making the difference, just the retailers.
my lgs just put one to the side for me at 34.99 😃 good people
The one store in town selling at msrp had them pre ordered months ago if they are not paid by fnm tonight I might have a shot at one. The other two stores want 89.99
Ohhh I understand supply and demand. My point is either sell it for MSRP if you are going to put it out there or just don't bother stating the MSRP if you know that is not what it will sell for.
*I am just enraged cuz my LGS had me believing I would get it for $35 and they changed it last minute......you all just get to hear about it 😜
I'm gonna interject real quick, what is MSRP?
It's the price the manufacturer suggests it should retail for
Quote from: Silent1236 on August 31, 2012, 06:32:55 PM
I'm gonna interject real quick, what is MSRP?
Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price
Ah, ok. Thanks
Quote from: cltrn81 on August 31, 2012, 06:21:45 PM
Ohhh I understand supply and demand. My point is either sell it for MSRP if you are going to put it out there or just don't bother stating the MSRP if you know that is not what it will sell for.
*I am just enraged cuz my LGS had me believing I would get it for $35 and they changed it last minute......you all just get to hear about it 😜
That is a douche maneuver. 😡
I picked both of mine up at MSRP. They only got 24. The did ask me if i wanted to order any more. They are getting more in next week... I called a couple other LGS and their prices are 75$+
I think Jesters theory is spot on regarding the bone Wizards is throwing.
I struck out at two LGS's. One of them was lying about not having them I think... Why wouldn't an employee but them all himself for $35 and resell them immediately to channelfireball for $80? Double your money (or more if you want to sell the individual cards yourself) for basically doing nothing but being at the right place at the right time. So lame.
I just opened one of mine and got 2 {Ancient Tombs}. I did not get {Boseiju Who Shelters All}... Wtf?
Quote from: Tumalc on August 31, 2012, 07:58:18 PM
I just opened one of mine and got 2 {Ancient Tombs}. I did not get {Boseiju Who Shelters All}... Wtf?
I would not complain about that. One guy got 2 {glacial chasm} and shorted on something else.....that I would complain about.
#1 player in FNM at LGS will get it free...too bad I was too sick to go grr
Quote from: Tumalc on August 31, 2012, 07:58:18 PM
I just opened one of mine and got 2 {Ancient Tombs}. I did not get {Boseiju Who Shelters All}... Wtf?
I wouldn't complain lol
I would call all the local shops to see if they've got it at MSRP, and be clear about the $35.00. Then hurry.
Quote from: Falcon182 on August 31, 2012, 07:39:04 PM
I struck out at two LGS's. One of them was lying about not having them I think... Why wouldn't an employee but them all himself for $35 and resell them immediately to channelfireball for $80? Double your money (or more if you want to sell the individual cards yourself) for basically doing nothing but being at the right place at the right time. So lame.
Pretty sure theres a policy against doing that.
Also, I just found out that only LGSs that host tournaments (FNM etc) are eligible to order them.
FtVs are meant to be a "thank you present" for stores.
Quote from: Prophylaxis on August 31, 2012, 08:19:41 PM
FtVs are meant to be a "thank you present" for stores.
I don't think it ends up being that. It becomes a target for people to try to make a quick profit. Oh, well. I'm just bitter because I couldn't get one.
Quote from: BlackJester on August 31, 2012, 06:11:29 PM
I kinda see it as a way for WotC to reward LGSs and other distributors. If they can make a profit of off MSRP, then imagine how much extra coin they are getting.
Wizards is saying "here's something players will pay lots of money for, and you can mark WAY up. Your welcome!"
Remember, WotC isn't making the difference, just the retailers.
This is not good business practice. It is not the goal of a business to make profits for another business...the goal is to increase your own profits while expanding and maintaining your customer base.
Quote from: Prophylaxis on August 31, 2012, 08:19:41 PM
FtVs are meant to be a "thank you present" for stores.
No they are not.....WotC states these sets are meant to make use of cards not normally obtainable by players. What is with this supposed idea that WotC, or any business for that matter, would go through the design, manufacturing, and advertising process for the sole process of increasing another business' profits?????This is just a ludicrous idea that makes no business sense whatsoever....
Quote from: cltrn81 on August 31, 2012, 08:52:28 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 31, 2012, 06:11:29 PM
I kinda see it as a way for WotC to reward LGSs and other distributors. If they can make a profit of off MSRP, then imagine how much extra coin they are getting.
Wizards is saying "here's something players will pay lots of money for, and you can mark WAY up. Your welcome!"
Remember, WotC isn't making the difference, just the retailers.
This is not good business practice. It is not the goal of a business to make profits for another business...the goal is to increase your own profits while expanding and maintaining your customer base.
Its not good business to support and promote locations where your product is sold and used. They are promoting stores that encourage and promote their product by hosting FNMs and such. Sounds smart to me. 😏
Quote from: BlackJester on August 31, 2012, 09:01:50 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on August 31, 2012, 08:52:28 PM
Quote from: BlackJester on August 31, 2012, 06:11:29 PM
I kinda see it as a way for WotC to reward LGSs and other distributors. If they can make a profit of off MSRP, then imagine how much extra coin they are getting.
Wizards is saying "here's something players will pay lots of money for, and you can mark WAY up. Your welcome!"
Remember, WotC isn't making the difference, just the retailers.
This is not good business practice. It is not the goal of a business to make profits for another business...the goal is to increase your own profits while expanding and maintaining your customer base.
Its not good business to support and promote locations where your product is sold and used. They are promoting stores that encourage and promote their product by hosting FNMs and such. Sounds smart to me. 😏
Yes creating more products for your vendors to sell is smart. No it is not smart to state a MSRP that is not followed by your vendors. My entire point in this is if 90% of your vendors are going to ignore the suggested retail price then either stop putting the MSRP on your items or sell it yourself to the actual customer base.
Well, it IS only a suggestion after all. 😉
It sounds from the forum that there ARE LGS that sell it at MSRP, and I think good stores that want to gain customer loyalty should sell it at close to MSRP.
But if you have a product that will fly off the shelves by the end of the day, many stores will seize the opportunity to make some extra jingle.💰
Quote from: cltrn81 on August 31, 2012, 08:55:39 PM
Quote from: Prophylaxis on August 31, 2012, 08:19:41 PM
FtVs are meant to be a "thank you present" for stores.
No they are not.....WotC states these sets are meant to make use of cards not normally obtainable by players. What is with this supposed idea that WotC, or any business for that matter, would go through the design, manufacturing, and advertising process for the sole process of increasing another business' profits?????This is just a ludicrous idea that makes no business sense whatsoever....
I stand by this: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=8937953&postcount=3027
Quote from: Prophylaxis on August 31, 2012, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on August 31, 2012, 08:55:39 PM
Quote from: Prophylaxis on August 31, 2012, 08:19:41 PM
FtVs are meant to be a "thank you present" for stores.
No they are not.....WotC states these sets are meant to make use of cards not normally obtainable by players. What is with this supposed idea that WotC, or any business for that matter, would go through the design, manufacturing, and advertising process for the sole process of increasing another business' profits?????This is just a ludicrous idea that makes no business sense whatsoever....
I stand by this: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=8937953&postcount=3027
Backed hard.
Quote from: Prophylaxis on August 31, 2012, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on August 31, 2012, 08:55:39 PM
Quote from: Prophylaxis on August 31, 2012, 08:19:41 PM
FtVs are meant to be a "thank you present" for stores.
No they are not.....WotC states these sets are meant to make use of cards not normally obtainable by players. What is with this supposed idea that WotC, or any business for that matter, would go through the design, manufacturing, and advertising process for the sole process of increasing another business' profits?????This is just a ludicrous idea that makes no business sense whatsoever....
I stand by this: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=8937953&postcount=3027
Because quoting some random user on another forum is somehow a factual citation?
No one is going to change my opinion on this because they fact remains that I was told I could get it for MSRP and I go there to find out they decided to mark it up......that is shady as hell anyway you look at it.
I don't think so, but they make a decent point.
I still don't think it's cool that youre LGS gave you the impression that you were going to get one for $35 then jacked the price. That's just rude sauce!
Quote from: cltrn81 on August 31, 2012, 09:44:14 PM
Quote from: Prophylaxis on August 31, 2012, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: cltrn81 on August 31, 2012, 08:55:39 PM
Quote from: Prophylaxis on August 31, 2012, 08:19:41 PM
FtVs are meant to be a "thank you present" for stores.
No they are not.....WotC states these sets are meant to make use of cards not normally obtainable by players. What is with this supposed idea that WotC, or any business for that matter, would go through the design, manufacturing, and advertising process for the sole process of increasing another business' profits?????This is just a ludicrous idea that makes no business sense whatsoever....
I stand by this: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=8937953&postcount=3027
Because quoting some random user on another forum is somehow a factual citation?
I believe that WotC said somewhere back that the From the Vaults were thank you presents to the local stores. That's why they only give them to stores that host FNMs. I would find it for you but I don't know where.
I also read somewhere that wizards said the intention of FtV was to let players get to use cards they normally can't get easily. I looked for it but I can't find it either.
Quote from: cltrn81 on August 31, 2012, 09:47:47 PM
No one is going to change my opinion on this because they fact remains that I was told I could get it for MSRP and I go there to find out they decided to mark it up......that is shady as hell anyway you look at it.
I went to get a FtV a while back (I think it was Relics) and the price was $90. The owner claimed it was MSRP. :rollseyes:
Is it possible to buy a FtV Legends (on eBay) for $60 and sell it at $90? I remember there was an expensive card in there..
Nobody uses MSRP look at car dealerships everyone has there mark up price.
My lgs charges msrp. When I bought mine he asked if I was going to eBay one to pay for them both. I said no that I plan to use them. He has explained in the past that he chooses to sell for msrp because if he didn't smart consumers would go elsewhere like online. His single card prices are 15% less than current SCG.
Quote from: Tumalc on August 31, 2012, 11:32:08 PM
My lgs charges msrp. When I bought mine he asked if I was going to eBay one to pay for them both. I said no that I plan to use them. He has explained in the past that he chooses to sell for msrp because if he didn't smart consumers would go elsewhere like online. His single card prices are 15% less than current SCG.
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Now THAT'S a businessman! "Screw making a quick couple of bucks! I rather maintain a loyal base of smart players." 😌
I want your LGS.
Yep I got a call from a place by where I work. "Hello sir we have you ftv realms but it's gonna $120 plus tax" I laughed and said no thanks.
As far as msrp on a car you can pay less you need to be willing to walk away. I paid under the sticker price for my fully loaded 2007 tundra. I did waste a few days talking to different dealers but I did get it out the door under the price on the sheet posted on the window.
Also so many ftv realms on sale on eBay really looks like it was a limited print.
Just got the last FTV my LGS had!! Plus got my frequent buyer card filled almost so will save $10 off a box of RtR. Yesssss!!!!
Quote from: cltrn81 on August 31, 2012, 09:47:47 PM
No one is going to change my opinion on this because they fact remains that I was told I could get it for MSRP and I go there to find out they decided to mark it up......that is shady as hell anyway you look at it.
It's blatant lying.
Mine was MSRP $34.99. LGS is good. Said he felt it would be theft to mark them up like that. He's holding two back for 3 months from now to sell at whatever they are going for then, but that is very fair and wise investing. He keeps and increases customer base/loyalty and also will profit.
Too bad there are so many ripping people off
To me, it doesn't seem like ripping people off selling them above MSRP. Yeah it is nice to sell at the RECOMENDED price, and yeah it may be a dick move to mark them above $90.00, but when you look at the definition of MSRP, complaining about a store selling for higher than it is more like complaining about bad luck, not corruption. Wizards never told anyone how much to sell it for. Just suggested.
I hear people say "why isn't msrp just 100 bucks if the lgs sell for that much anyways?" Well at least SOME stores are selling for MSRP!! Basically what these people are saying is, "my store doesn't sell for msrp so everyone else in the world should have the same bad luck."
Basically what I am trying to say is that if msrp is wizard's way of saying this:
"ok. you can sell this for whatever you want, but here is the price we recomend you sell it at if you want to be nice yet still gain a reasonable profit. Have fun. :)"
Btw I am not defending people who sell it for WAY above MSRP. I am just saying that unfair isn't always unjust. It sure isn't fair that most sell it for 100 while few sell for msrp. But it is completely just and they have every right.
One thing I notice is that the small stores seem to be the ones selling for msrp. The store I do FNM at sells at msrp, yet I would bet a FTV: Realms box that the one a little farther away that is HUUUUGE (x treme games) sells for higher. Interesting if you ask me...the stores with all the money are the ones that just can't get enough :p
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 01, 2012, 10:04:01 PM
To me, it doesn't seem like ripping people off selling them above MSRP. Yeah it is nice to sell at the RECOMENDED price, and yeah it may be a dick move to mark them above $90.00, but when you look at the definition of MSRP, complaining about a store selling for higher than it is more like complaining about bad luck, not corruption. Wizards never told anyone how much to sell it for. Just suggested.
I hear people say "why isn't msrp just 100 bucks if the lgs sell for that much anyways?" Well at least SOME stores are selling for MSRP!! Basically what these people are saying is, "my store doesn't sell for msrp so everyone else in the world should have the same bad luck."
Basically what I am trying to say is that if msrp is wizard's way of saying this:
"ok. you can sell this for whatever you want, but here is the price we recomend you sell it at if you want to be nice yet still gain a reasonable profit. Have fun. :)"
Btw I am not defending people who sell it for WAY above MSRP. I am just saying that unfair isn't always unjust. It sure isn't fair that most sell it for 100 while few sell for msrp. But it is completely just and they have every right.
One thing I notice is that the small stores seem to be the ones selling for msrp. The store I do FNM at sells at msrp, yet I would bet a FTV: Realms box that the one a little farther away that is HUUUUGE (x treme games) sells for higher. Interesting if you ask me...the stores with all the money are the ones that just can't get enough :p
The rules of capitalism usually correct this anyway.
Look at it this way: a Toyota Camry comes out and all over TV, everywhere it is advertised as $14,999 MSRP. You go in and they say they are charging $20,000.
You don't buy, go somehwere else, or get something else and they lose the original profit they would have made before getting greedy.
I honestly compare this to ticket scalping. Like when someone buys up all the tickets to a concert then stands outside selling them 5x as much.
Quote from: RevanJJ on September 01, 2012, 10:38:16 PM
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 01, 2012, 10:04:01 PM
To me, it doesn't seem like ripping people off selling them above MSRP. Yeah it is nice to sell at the RECOMENDED price, and yeah it may be a dick move to mark them above $90.00, but when you look at the definition of MSRP, complaining about a store selling for higher than it is more like complaining about bad luck, not corruption. Wizards never told anyone how much to sell it for. Just suggested.
I hear people say "why isn't msrp just 100 bucks if the lgs sell for that much anyways?" Well at least SOME stores are selling for MSRP!! Basically what these people are saying is, "my store doesn't sell for msrp so everyone else in the world should have the same bad luck."
Basically what I am trying to say is that if msrp is wizard's way of saying this:
"ok. you can sell this for whatever you want, but here is the price we recomend you sell it at if you want to be nice yet still gain a reasonable profit. Have fun. :)"
Btw I am not defending people who sell it for WAY above MSRP. I am just saying that unfair isn't always unjust. It sure isn't fair that most sell it for 100 while few sell for msrp. But it is completely just and they have every right.
One thing I notice is that the small stores seem to be the ones selling for msrp. The store I do FNM at sells at msrp, yet I would bet a FTV: Realms box that the one a little farther away that is HUUUUGE (x treme games) sells for higher. Interesting if you ask me...the stores with all the money are the ones that just can't get enough :p
The rules of capitalism usually correct this anyway.
Look at it this way: a Toyota Camry comes out and all over TV, everywhere it is advertised as $14,999 MSRP. You go in and they say they are charging $20,000.
You don't buy, go somehwere else, or get something else and they lose the original profit they would have made before getting greedy.
I honestly compare this to ticket scalping. Like when someone buys up all the tickets to a concert then stands outside selling them 5x as much.
I understand the point you're getting at, but the car example isn't the best one to use because the features on the one at the dealer probably aren't going to be the same as the one you saw on tv. Also, when a giant company like Toyota releases a new model of their flagship car, there usually aren't supply constraints. The ticket scalping is a good example though because it involves a limited, finite quantity of product that has the potential to be in high demand.
Invisible hand ftw!
Who cares stop wasting time Arguing if you really want it spend the time looking for it at a reasonable price for YOU every lgs needs to turn some kind of a profit just depends on how greedy the owners really are
I was not aware I was wasting anyone's time. I am certainly not wasting my own time! ^^ I can post an argument in like a few seconds and I enjoy letting my opinion be known. (in a non kuberr way of course hehe)
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 01, 2012, 11:58:32 PM
I was not aware I was wasting anyone's time. I am certainly not wasting my own time! ^^ I can post an argument in like a few seconds and I enjoy letting my opinion be known. (in a non kuberr way of course hehe)
Lol I didn't mean you in particular I just ment in general
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=443951
"The fact is that stores are there to make profit. Times are hard for game stores. If they buy them in at $25, and sell at $35, they make ten bucks. They only get a maximum of 20 of these. So in a vacuum, they make $200 profit. But if they get 20 people willing to pay $100 for them and 20 who will only pay $35, they'll sell them for $100, which is their prerogative, they are providing a product and they are allowed to charge whatever price they see fit. Equally its your prerogative to decide its too much and not purchase at that price. Because the profit them could be the difference between breaking even and making a loss for the month. Would you rather pay to keep your LGS open or have it shut because its not making money?"
Just got mine at my lgs for $40 and they even held one for me when I asked why It wa 40 and not 35 like I was told and owner said it was because the ones he put on shelf to general public wa prices at 50 and they all sold out instantly the day he put them up so he took the last one in shop and set it aside for me because he knew I wanted it so either way MSRP or not I still got a great deal!
Man! It's great that you got it for a bargain, but I still think its sleazy marking up an already agreed upon price. If they promised $35, you should get it for $35. An owner's integrity is worth more than $5 IMO.
made me laugh I was just reading some of the posts again. People are saying its fair for the store to mark it up but when people "over value" their cards on the trade part they get torn into.
Quote from: BlackJester on September 05, 2012, 02:30:29 PM
Man! It's great that you got it for a bargain, but I still think its sleazy marking up an already agreed upon price. If they promised $35, you should get it for $35. An owner's integrity is worth more than $5 IMO.
Honestly I don't mind. I look at the $5 mark up as a small fee for him snagging the last one from his stock for me. He could have sold it to someone else for well over MSRP or even what he sold it to me at. So in my mind I don't find it sleazy at all would have been more sleazy if he just up and sold out of them when he promised me he'd have one for me no matter what
Quote from: KangaRod on September 05, 2012, 05:51:15 PM
I still don't understand why Wizards just doesn't MSRP them @ $100
Marketing. For $35 most people would be interested in getting. For $100 not so many.
I don't treat my LGS like it is the Goodwill. It is not a charity and if they mark up because $10 (a 28.75% profit) is not enough, they would lose my business and loyalty. An action also known as capitalism.
They have the right to charge whatever. The consumer has the right to consume elsewhere. The loss of loyalty would hurt the LGS far more than not making more than a 28.57% profit on one item IMO.
Think of your local LGS as a plainswalker...it has a certain amout of "loyalty", if you will. Some can ultimate more often than others.
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 05, 2012, 06:23:00 PM
Think of your local LGS as a plainswalker...it has a certain amout of "loyalty", if you will. Some can ultimate more often than others.
That made me lol
Quote from: Coffee Vampire on September 05, 2012, 06:23:00 PM
Think of your local LGS as a plainswalker...it has a certain amout of "loyalty", if you will. Some can ultimate more often than others.
Lol. Mine is Ajani then because they just get better and better. Most of what I put is what the owner of the LGS told me how he feels about it all when I asked his thoughts on it.
Yeah, I'm fine with them charging whatever they want, I just don't like them reneging on a deal. Even if it is only $5.
Actually, ESPECIALLY if it's only $5.
Yep it's like looking over a menu. Ordering a t-bone steak for $15 and waiting. They bring it out and tell you now it's gonna be $45
Why sell it for $35 when you know most of your buyers will turn around and sell it for $100 on eBay?
Limit it 1 per customer and your regulars have first crack at them.
Just saying I spend a lot of money at my lgs. And bring in people who would never go there except that I bring them. If they take care of me I'll take care of them