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Title: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: Jdogtoocool on August 12, 2012, 11:17:30 PM
{essence of the wild}

-do other cards like {maul splicer} with ETB effects lose their effects do to essence of the wild being in play?

-what about {thatcher revolt}? Do the copies come in with haste and get destroyed at the end of the turn?


I'm trying to make a deck around Essence but I need to understand how the card works first
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: BlackJester on August 12, 2012, 11:25:39 PM
Creatures with ETB effects will lose them if the enter as an EotW.

The Human tokens will lose their abilities (haste), but the delayed trigger will still make you sac them.
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: Jdogtoocool on August 13, 2012, 08:17:48 AM
What about {hero of bladehold}? Do essence copies come in tapped and attacking?
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: scarsabrex on August 13, 2012, 09:01:25 AM
yes
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: Fenster on August 13, 2012, 09:44:30 AM
Only if it entered after Essence
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: Greg54js on August 13, 2012, 11:12:47 AM
Quote from: Jdogtoocool on August 13, 2012, 08:17:48 AM
What about {hero of bladehold}? Do essence copies come in tapped and attacking?
Holy !! That's effing insane!!!

You are talking about bladehold being out before essence
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: BlackJester on August 13, 2012, 11:28:23 AM
{Essence of the Wild} will overwrite anything written on the card/tokens themselves.  It will not not change other characteristics (attacking/blocking, tapped, flipped, face-down etc) that are applied externally.  {Flash Foliage} will put a 6/6 copy blocking a creature.  Creatures with ETB effects lose those effects. 
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: Jdogtoocool on August 13, 2012, 02:32:46 PM
Got ya got ya that sounds about right thanks
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: Jdogtoocool on August 13, 2012, 02:57:01 PM
I just thought about another one: what if you put tokens out that are copies of essence and they get sent to the hand with say an {unsummon}.  Do they get destroyed as well or do you now have copies of Essence in your hand?
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: Coffee Vampire on August 13, 2012, 03:02:17 PM
Even though they are copies, they are still tokens. They just enter the battlefield with the same name and stats of essence of the wild. It doesn't change them to an actual magic card though.

If you cast {Unsummon} on a 1/1 spirit token from {Lingering Souls} that entered as a copy of {Essence of the Wild}, the token will be exiled.
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: scarsabrex on August 13, 2012, 05:35:10 PM
not exiled but cease to exist.
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: Jdogtoocool on August 16, 2012, 03:27:57 PM
Ok here's another one: if I have in play a {hero of bladehold} {parallel lives} and an {essence of the wild} and I play {kuldotha rebirth} will 6 copies of essence come into play?

Also when I attack with the hero of bladehold do all 4 copies of essence come in tapped and attacking or just 2?
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: Gorzo on August 16, 2012, 03:36:45 PM
Quote from: Jdogtoocool on August 16, 2012, 03:27:57 PM
Ok here's another one: if I have in play a {hero of bladehold} {parallel lives} and an {essence of the wild} and I play {kuldotha rebirth} will 6 copies of essence come into play?

Also when I attack with the hero of bladehold do all 4 copies of essence come in tapped and attacking or just 2?

Yes to all. With parallel lives or {doubling season} out and essence of the wild on the field, you are going to to get double your tokens from lives and those tokens will be copied of essence. So {kuldotha rebirth} will net you 6 tokens of essence, as would {captain's call}, {krenko's command} will get you 4, etc, etc.

As for bladehold, yes again. Token effect is copied, tapped and attacking, and all 4 enter as copies of essence. Ouch.
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: Jdogtoocool on August 16, 2012, 04:07:42 PM
Great thanks I think that'll do for Essence combos
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: Wally on August 17, 2012, 12:03:45 PM
Living weapons' 0/0 germs also enter as a 6/6 copy of EoTW. Just so you know. :D
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: Gorzo on August 17, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
Quote from: Wally on August 17, 2012, 12:03:45 PM
Living weapons' 0/0 germs also enter as a 6/6 copy of EoTW. Just so you know. :D

That...is actually really funny. Never thought about that. Scariest {batterskull} ever! It craps out 6/6 tokens on top of being ridiculous!
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: BlackJester on August 17, 2012, 12:39:54 PM
Quote from: Gorzo on August 17, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
Quote from: Wally on August 17, 2012, 12:03:45 PM
Living weapons' 0/0 germs also enter as a 6/6 copy of EoTW. Just so you know. :D

That...is actually really funny. Never thought about that. Scariest {batterskull} ever! It craps out 6/6 tokens on top of being ridiculous!
{8}:put a 10/10 vigilance lifelinker into play.  XD
Title: Re: Essence of the Wild questions
Post by: Jdogtoocool on August 17, 2012, 01:32:57 PM
Yeah I've already added a few living weapon cards, {Mortar pod} and batterskull, also added a some other artifacts {trigon of infestation}, {pentavus}, {Druidic satchel}, {shrine of loyal legions}, {mayor of avabruk}, {requiem angel} and few surprise cards to finish off the opponent either by milling them bring their life total to zero or winning by infect. It's gonna be pretty nasty