So I have not won a game of magic in a while. None of my decks have been working like they should be and one of my friends is making fun of me and gloating about it. I. AM. PISSED. This is just one of those situations where I just have no idea what to do! I have considered quitting magic and taking up something else, what do you guys think?
What decks have you been playing? I know MBC.
Well do you play Magic to win or because it's fun? If you wanna win, net deck. If you wanna have fun, keep cooking. It'll break your way eventually.
Quote from: Dudecore on August 12, 2012, 11:20:26 PM
Well do you play Magic to win or because it's fun? If you wanna win, net deck. If you wanna have fun, keep cooking. It'll break your way eventually.
Ok, well, I should have specified. The decks that aren't working are the ones that are meant to win. My just for fun decks work but don't win (but they aren't meant to, so that doesn't really matter). But whenever I play to win, my decks don't seem to work, and my freind keeps gloating about this and saying that his decks are better, this is the main issue
Quote from: smokin terry on August 12, 2012, 11:18:45 PM
What decks have you been playing? I know MBC.
Elf Wave - to win
Goblins - just for fun
MBC - not what you would expect (just for fun)
Delver - to win
Sounds to me like youre deck hopping. This usually leads to a low win-loss ratio. It could also be your game play not the deck. My team mate has been struggling with that lately. We figured out that his shuffling was clumping his land, and the order in which he played his cards in a turn lead to losses.
Is elf wave and delver up on the threads?
Quote from: smokin terry on August 12, 2012, 11:33:15 PM
Is elf wave and delver up on the threads?
Here? Elf wave i have not seen, but there are lots of delver (mostly budget, deviant, and home brew though).
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 12, 2012, 11:31:50 PM
Sounds to me like youre deck hopping. This usually leads to a low win-loss ratio. It could also be your game play not the deck. My team mate has been struggling with that lately. We figured out that his shuffling was clumping his land, and the order in which he played his cards in a turn lead to losses.
Hmm, it mainly that I'm not getting cards I need, or too many of one card or not the right combination. I have noticed misplays with Delver though.
And as far as deck hopping goes, I run a lot if decks at once. But the ones that are meant to win I study and find each cards different uses and purposes. So I know how to play them.
Elf Wave
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=48207
This is relatively it
What is your prefered way to win? Combat damage, effect, direct burn, mill, combo, control lock down, etc.?
This is important because if you dont play your prefered way your chances of winning arent as good. A vested interest in your actions propels your mind to find the answers you need to reach your goal.
Quote from: darkarts981 on August 12, 2012, 11:43:14 PM
Elf Wave
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=48207
This is relatively it
I love this concept, but it's not my play style.
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 12, 2012, 11:45:57 PM
What is your prefered way to win? Combat damage, effect, direct burn, mill, combo, control lock down, etc.?
This is important because if you dont play your prefered way your chances of winning arent as good. A vested interest in your actions propels your mind to find the answers you need to reach your goal.
Damage (combat). Which is what Elf Wave does. Delver strays from that a little more
Depending on how close your deck list to this one. I would drop the renegade leader and one green sun for 2 more crater hoof behemoths. I'll look more at the list.
Delver definitely wins via small pokes from various directions adding up over the turns.
Ok so we have a start on how to turn your luck around.
Next what does your teasing buddy play or claim is their best deck?
Quote from: darkarts981 on August 12, 2012, 11:17:08 PM
So I have not won a game of magic in a while. None of my decks have been working like they should be and one of my friends is making fun of me and gloating about it. I. AM. PISSED. This is just one of those situations where I just have no idea what to do! I have considered quitting magic and taking up something else, what do you guys think?
What I do is just focus on 1 deck and try to perfect it. Just build off an idea that inspires you, can win, and let's you have fun. For me in stabdard, it was junk. Now iit is mbc.
I am always and forever working on my on the house...it is just on hold for the moment while I work on standard a bit ;)
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 12, 2012, 11:53:09 PM
Delver definitely wins via small pokes from various directions adding up over the turns.
Ok so we have a start on how to turn your luck around.
Next what does your teasing buddy play or claim is their best deck?
Well he runs GW Humans, and has been accused and found out of setting his hands before, and I have a small suspicion that he still might. He isn't part of the winning problem, he's just annoying.
Delver shouldn't have a problem racing that {Genesis Wave} deck. I'd consider sticking to 1 deck and learned every single nuance.
Sometimes putting your head down and sticking to a gameplan doesn't work. It requires more finesse.
Quote from: Dudecore on August 13, 2012, 12:10:23 AM
Delver shouldn't have a problem racing that {Genesis Wave} deck. I'd consider sticking to 1 deck and learned every single nuance.
Sometimes putting your head down and sticking to a gameplan doesn't work. It requires more finesse.
Well I don't stick to one ganeplan. I try to learn every fine point of the deck, so that I can do something out of everything that gets thrown at me.
Haveing a good sideboard is important if you want to win. If you get thrown something that your deck can't cope with then you modify so it can.
If you are playing best of three like in any competition, you will need to have a good all rounded base deck, then modify with your choice of 15 cards to really deal with what your opponent is throwing at you.
Also read in the articles section about advantage. it may give you some ideas on how to play your decks more competitively.
Quote from: darkarts981 on August 13, 2012, 12:06:43 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 12, 2012, 11:53:09 PM
Delver definitely wins via small pokes from various directions adding up over the turns.
Ok so we have a start on how to turn your luck around.
Next what does your teasing buddy play or claim is their best deck?
Well he runs GW Humans, and has been accused and found out of setting his hands before, and I have a small suspicion that he still might. He isn't part of the winning problem, he's just annoying.
If he is setting his hand then you are either not cutting his deck or leaving him alone with the cards.
Do you cut or shuffle his deck?
Quote from: Tumalc on August 13, 2012, 05:56:03 AM
Quote from: darkarts981 on August 13, 2012, 12:06:43 AM
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 12, 2012, 11:53:09 PM
Delver definitely wins via small pokes from various directions adding up over the turns.
Ok so we have a start on how to turn your luck around.
Next what does your teasing buddy play or claim is their best deck?
Well he runs GW Humans, and has been accused and found out of setting his hands before, and I have a small suspicion that he still might. He isn't part of the winning problem, he's just annoying.
If he is setting his hand then you are either not cutting his deck or leaving him alone with the cards.
Do you cut or shuffle his deck?
Yeah, I do, he pile shuffles mostly without riffle shuffling. Which is an easy way to set hands. So I have taken to actually shuffling his deck, most people at tournaments just cut his deck though. At least people I've seen
Quote from: KangaRod on August 13, 2012, 07:55:05 AM
Stop playing lots of different decks. Chose one and stick with it
Do you mean competitively? Or overall, I have 2 tourney decks that I concentrate on, and 2 just for fun that I partially designed.
Build a U/B reanimator
E-Z fix.
Play the lotto tonight. Pick the winning numbers. Buy all the cards you need.
Quote from: Testset on August 13, 2012, 01:10:37 PM
I presume you're playing standard?
You say your opponent is consistently winning. Cheating aside, is his budget bigger than yours?
I love Magic and am a firm believer that the biggest factor to winning is your ability as a deckbuilder. But let's face it: the best cards are expensive. If two equally skilled players make decks but one can spend more cash, he's probably going have the edge...
No, I am playing tier 1 decks along with everyone else. And I am consustently losing to other tier 1's and many home brews or even somewhat janky decks
Quote from: darkarts981 on August 13, 2012, 03:02:04 PM
No, I am playing tier 1 decks along with everyone else. And I am consustently losing to other tier 1's and many home brews or even somewhat janky decks
Now there could be a whole different issue. Maybe you don't fully understand these teir 1 decks. Don't take offense, but i know it's easy to look at a deck and say oh that deck is good, without really understanding what makes it good. If you don't understand or know all the little facets of the deck and tricks of playing it then it will never perform to expectations. For example, i kept an all land hand against an aggro humans deck last friday and won, because i know my deck through and through and knew that with my ratios and this match up i would pull what i needed.
The other possible issue is that your opponent's know how to beat teir 1 decks, >90% of the decks online are designed to counter the teir 1s in some way.
Quote from: Kaleo42 on August 13, 2012, 03:17:30 PM
Quote from: darkarts981 on August 13, 2012, 03:02:04 PM
No, I am playing tier 1 decks along with everyone else. And I am consustently losing to other tier 1's and many home brews or even somewhat janky decks
Now there could be a whole different issue. Maybe you don't fully understand these teir 1 decks. Don't take offense, but i know it's easy to look at a deck and say oh that deck is good, without really understanding what makes it good. If you don't understand or know all the little facets of the deck and tricks of playing it then it will never perform to expectations. For example, i kept an all land hand against an aggro humans deck last friday and won, because i know my deck through and through and knew that with my ratios and this match up i would pull what i needed.
The other possible issue is that your opponent's know how to beat teir 1 decks, >90% of the decks online are designed to counter the teir 1s in some way.
Ok, so the first part of your post is quite possible. Most people in my meta dOnt design decks to heat tier1. They either play teir1 or they play weird gimmicky decks