MetalMadMan vs GuJuDragon Rematch

Really? Huh. Well thx for the help BJ

Really? Huh. Well thx for the help BJ

Sorry to just interject like that, but it bugs me when judges make mistakes on things they ought to know.

You can use a fast effect while the miracle trigger is on the stack, but It IS an ability sitting on the stack when you reveal it. If you reveal it during you draw step, you can't leave it on display an move to your main phase hoping to miracle it later in the turn.

Dude...your judge needs a BJ lesson! If you do anything before casting the miracle, you missed the trigger and must pay the full price!

Yea. I saw that he drew. Then played a land. Then miricled it and i was like huh, didnt know you could play it later in your turn

Dude...your judge needs a BJ lesson!

They can practice on me.

Quote from: GoJuDragon on June 17, 2012, 12:25:52 AM

Really? Huh. Well thx for the help BJ

Sorry to just interject like that, but it bugs me when judges make mistakes on things they ought to know.

You can use a fast effect while the miracle trigger is on the stack, but It IS an ability sitting on the stack when you reveal it. If you reveal it during you draw step, you can't leave it on display an move to your main phase hoping to miracle it later in the turn.

Don't be sorry man. U just most likely saved me a lot of grief. Thx a ton man

Yea. I saw that he drew. Then played a land. Then miricled it and i was like huh, didnt know you could play it later in your turn

In that draw I drew the wrath and had a mountain in my hand... The wrath never touched my cards

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on June 17, 2012, 12:29:37 AM

Dude...your judge needs a BJ lesson!

They can practice on me.

This is why I prefer to be called Jester. 😓

Your judge is wrong.

So what's right?

Quote from: BlackJester on June 17, 2012, 12:25:13 AM

Your judge is wrong.

So what's right?

"CR702.92a Miracle is a static ability linked to a triggered ability (see rule 603.10). "Miracle [cost]" means "You may reveal this card from your hand as you draw it if it's the first card you've drawn this turn. When you reveal this card this way, you may cast it by paying [cost] rather than its mana cost."

702.92b If a player chooses to reveal a card using its miracle ability, he or she plays with that card revealed until that card leaves his or her hand, that ability resolves, or that ability otherwise leaves the stack."

Miracle is a trigger and gets put on the stack. You can respond with other instants or fast effects, but when the Miracle ability resolves you either choose to cast the spell for its miracle cost or return the card with the rest of you hand and let the trigger lapse. From then on, you cannot cast it for its miracle cost.

So does this happen before untap phase?

So does this happen before untap phase?

Untap
Upkeep
Draw

I think the judges around here need a lesson or two.

They say it all happens at the same time. After I lol for a while I correct them and show them the proper rule.

You would do some good around here jester.

All this is confusing!
Can you cast a card as a miracle after you have played a land or not? I just want a yes or no.

No. Just assume you cast it when you draw it and you'll be fine.



Now, if you use Merfolk Looter on their turn, you have to draw and discard before you Miracle. So if you had no cards in hand, you won't be able to miracle it.