Zach Jesse

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If you take a plea bargin you are basically setting yourself up to say yes I done it but to make it easier for everyone and for a lighter sentence I will do a deal. I don't know too much about the American law system and if all states comply with that but it's a bit of a daft law. Glad the UK hasn't adopted that.

I'll just leave this here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolo_contendere

[Rass]

Sorry Kay I really have to disagree with you. To compare asscrack to rape is really ignorant.

Yes rape can be a slippery slope but to that I say keep your self out of those slippery areas.

To plea bargain a deal really doesn't help me feel bad for him. I have a friend who is a public defendant. Trust me if your plea bargaining they have more then enough to get a conviction. So you plea to get a softer sentence.

I agree it sucks how it came about, but you have to own up to your past.

Let's get a little personal. If he raped your mom, wife, sister, or daughter your still okay with him playing?

I wasn't sure if you were trolling before but now I'm sure. If he has access to the internet then he has access to do bad things with it. But mtgo doesn't provide him more opportunities, just the same opportunities. And his victims identity is irrelevant. If if it was a close family member of mine, sure I'd never want to personally play against him but I wouldn't want him to never play anyone else ever again.

Gonna post Sam Blacks response to this since I agree with most of what he wrote.

Yep I'm trolling. Mtgo gives him a place with opportunity different then some random website. He can lure people in by giving away cards. Yes there are other website that people can do bad stuff on. Mtgo just doesn't want to be used as a tool. Sorry you couldn't understand that.

Really identity is irreverent? It's easy to say it's ok when it happens to someone else. That's why there is a saying "walk a mile in my shoes".

[Falcon182]

Sorry Kay I really have to disagree with you. To compare asscrack to rape is really ignorant.

Yes rape can be a slippery slope but to that I say keep your self out of those slippery areas.

To plea bargain a deal really doesn't help me feel bad for him. I have a friend who is a public defendant. Trust me if your plea bargaining they have more then enough to get a conviction. So you plea to get a softer sentence.

I agree it sucks how it came about, but you have to own up to your past.

Let's get a little personal. If he raped your mom, wife, sister, or daughter your still okay with him playing?

I wasn't sure if you were trolling before but now I'm sure. If he has access to the internet then he has access to do bad things with it. But mtgo doesn't provide him more opportunities, just the same opportunities. And his victims identity is irrelevant. If if it was a close family member of mine, sure I'd never want to personally play against him but I wouldn't want him to never play anyone else ever again.

Gonna post Sam Blacks response to this since I agree with most of what he wrote.

Yep I'm trolling. Mtgo gives him a place with opportunity different then some random website. He can lure people in by giving away cards. Yes there are other website that people can do bad stuff on. Mtgo just doesn't want to be used as a tool. Sorry you couldn't understand that.

Really identity is irreverent? It's easy to say it's ok when it happens to someone else. That's why there is a saying "walk a mile in my shoes".

I've been trying to stay out of this poisonous conversation but I feel that it must be pointed out that this guy is NOT accused of being a pedophile or child molester.

[LinkCelestrial]

I can't see how body odour is comparable to rape as a slippery slope? Amateur events I don't have a problem with as there are scumbags in all games/sports though this is a game with impressionable children as well and rapists, child molesters and other sex criminals I would not like my son to be associated with. Yes he has done his time but crimes like that you will be punished for life, you have no excuse for that. The plea bargin is basically admitting it, if you were innocent no way would you go down that route. It is a moral argument but one that is justified, sex offenders are not people but degenerates that society can do without

That is absolutely brutal. From the sounds of things they were both drunk, things happened, and now you're calling him less than human? What gives you the right? That was twelve years ago and he /isn't a repeat offender/. He took a plea, which means he was willing to admit it.

Have you never ducked up in your lifetime? Are you so perfect that you have the right to just discard people for screwing up once?

The complete lack of compassion I'm seeing in this thread appals me. I will be the first person to call somebody out and demand justice. I have a friend that was raped at a pretty young age. It still impacts them to this day. I know what it does. I know it's disgusting. But I'm willing to forgive.

[MuggyWuggy]

But can we all agree the term rape is broad?

People are making it out that this guy is some sort of violent child rapist.


Most likely the scenario was drunken sex, that he coerced the victim into, the victim felt violated during/after the act and reported it later. This most likely (I don't have a case report in front of me) was not a violent sexual assault, with a victim covered in bruises and checked into the hospital for several weeks.

A problem with this whole scenario is just the term "rape" itself. It's just a taboo word that means too many actions across different minds.

In some discussions people feel others are insensitive about the topic, personally I feel people are TOO sensitive about the topic.

Then someone who has had victimization in the past stands on a PC soap box and rants the obvious, but since they were a victim in the past, their opinion is now more validated than someone without that history on the table, who also probably has opposite opinion. Internet court is a complete failure for discussion.

[adventus]

Score

Underground Dojo Keyboard Cagefighters: 2

Miscreants: 0

[General Kiwi]

Score

Underground Dojo Keyboard Cagefighters: 2

Miscreants: 0

I would consider the score tied my friend. The udkc stand for anti cheating and if anything at all happened it's that Zach's opponent has cheated by mudslinging to gain advantage.

[LinkCelestrial]

I can't see how body odour is comparable to rape as a slippery slope? Amateur events I don't have a problem with as there are scumbags in all games/sports though this is a game with impressionable children as well and rapists, child molesters and other sex criminals I would not like my son to be associated with. Yes he has done his time but crimes like that you will be punished for life, you have no excuse for that. The plea bargin is basically admitting it, if you were innocent no way would you go down that route. It is a moral argument but one that is justified, sex offenders are not people but degenerates that society can do without

That is absolutely brutal. From the sounds of things they were both drunk, things happened, and now you're calling him less than human? What gives you the right? That was twelve years ago and he /isn't a repeat offender/. He took a plea, which means he was willing to admit it.

Have you never ducked up in your lifetime? Are you so perfect that you have the right to just discard people for screwing up once?

The complete lack of compassion I'm seeing in this thread appals me. I will be the first person to call somebody out and demand justice. I have a friend that was raped at a pretty young age. It still impacts them to this day. I know what it does. I know it's disgusting. But I'm willing to forgive.

Screwing up is one thing, sexual crimes is another. That's nothing to do with compassion, sex cases aren't a one off usually either. I may of messed up once or twice like forgetting to put the bin out etc but not been involved in a sex crime. If you think that's brutal that's your opinion but scum like this deserve no forgiveness, they conciously did this and have to bear the mark of shame throughout their life. As for your silly plea bargin system it creates more problems than what it solves and diminishes justice.

"Most likely the scenario was drunken sex, that he coerced the victim into, the victim felt violated during/after the act and reported it later. This most likely (I don't have a case report in front of me) was not a violent sexual assault, with a victim covered in bruises and checked into the hospital for several weeks."

I'll just leave that there. Nothing I can say is going to change your mind.

[Falcon182]

I'm gonna suggest that for the good of the community this thread be locked/deleted/moved out of magic related discussions.

Thanks!

[MuggyWuggy]

Agreed, this is turning into more about rapist are unforgivable rather than a company abusing its power as a PR move to an up comer in the mtg community, which should really have WOTC introducing a policy for all events: we reserve the right to take away your prize/dci info for any reason at all

[Mr_Fahrenheit]

we reserve the right to take away your prize/dci info for any reason at all

I thought that was already the case...

[Codester1991]

What everyone needs to understand are that plea bargains are made to help. In this rape case, like many others, it's her word over his and the court and jury tend to side with the female over anything including things such as children cases, rape, abuse, etc. the woman could be batshit crazy and they still get the court to side with them. In this particular case I'm more than certain that it was his word against hers behind closed doors with no proof of anything actually. But simply because a woman says "rape" the man is automatically accused of one of the worst crimes in our court systems. His attorney most likely told him "You will lose because this happens all the time and you have no defense. Take the plea bargain and it will save you some jail time." Thus, causing him to be hated by society because a female screamed the R word. It happens all the time and it's really a shame. If a man legitimately forces himself on a woman he deserves a spot in hell, but a woman who gives a man consent when she's tipsy then the next morning says "I was drunk you raped me" it's just pathetic. I mean I may be an .rearexit. for saying this but know your limits. If you know you do stupid things while intoxicated control yourself rather than screwing up someone else's life.

[Mr_Fahrenheit]

What everyone needs to understand are that plea bargains are made to help. In this rape case, like many others, it's her word over his and the court and jury tend to side with the female over anything including things such as children cases, rape, abuse, etc. the woman could be batshit crazy and they still get the court to side with them. In this particular case I'm more than certain that it was his word against hers behind closed doors with no proof of anything actually. But simply because a woman says "rape" the man is automatically accused of one of the worst crimes in our court systems. His attorney most likely told him "You will lose because this happens all the time and you have no defense. Take the plea bargain and it will save you some jail time." Thus, causing him to be hated by society because a female screamed the R word. It happens all the time and it's really a shame. If a man legitimately forces himself on a woman he deserves a spot in hell, but a woman who gives a man consent when she's tipsy then the next morning says "I was drunk you raped me" it's just pathetic. I mean I may be an .rearexit. for saying this but know your limits. If you know you do stupid things while intoxicated control yourself rather than screwing up someone else's life.

How exactly are you more than certain? Do you even know anything about the situation besides the self righteous crap people spray all over social media?

[General Kiwi]

What everyone needs to understand are that plea bargains are made to help. In this rape case, like many others, it's her word over his and the court and jury tend to side with the female over anything including things such as children cases, rape, abuse, etc. the woman could be batshit crazy and they still get the court to side with them. In this particular case I'm more than certain that it was his word against hers behind closed doors with no proof of anything actually. But simply because a woman says "rape" the man is automatically accused of one of the worst crimes in our court systems. His attorney most likely told him "You will lose because this happens all the time and you have no defense. Take the plea bargain and it will save you some jail time." Thus, causing him to be hated by society because a female screamed the R word. It happens all the time and it's really a shame. If a man legitimately forces himself on a woman he deserves a spot in hell, but a woman who gives a man consent when she's tipsy then the next morning says "I was drunk you raped me" it's just pathetic. I mean I may be an .rearexit. for saying this but know your limits. If you know you do stupid things while intoxicated control yourself rather than screwing up someone else's life.

How exactly are you more than certain? Do you even know anything about the situation besides the self righteous crap people spray all over social media?

You can only assume since he didn't get jail time. (As far as I'm aware)

[Codester1991]

What everyone needs to understand are that plea bargains are made to help. In this rape case, like many others, it's her word over his and the court and jury tend to side with the female over anything including things such as children cases, rape, abuse, etc. the woman could be batshit crazy and they still get the court to side with them. In this particular case I'm more than certain that it was his word against hers behind closed doors with no proof of anything actually. But simply because a woman says "rape" the man is automatically accused of one of the worst crimes in our court systems. His attorney most likely told him "You will lose because this happens all the time and you have no defense. Take the plea bargain and it will save you some jail time." Thus, causing him to be hated by society because a female screamed the R word. It happens all the time and it's really a shame. If a man legitimately forces himself on a woman he deserves a spot in hell, but a woman who gives a man consent when she's tipsy then the next morning says "I was drunk you raped me" it's just pathetic. I mean I may be an .rearexit. for saying this but know your limits. If you know you do stupid things while intoxicated control yourself rather than screwing up someone else's life.

How exactly are you more than certain? Do you even know anything about the situation besides the self righteous crap people spray all over social media?

I Read the original article from his home town that he posted himself a few days ago that explains the situation. Both parties agree alcohol was the main reason any of this occurred(as I said if you can't control don't consume.)