Zach Jesse

Not to mention minors also play mtg.  Forget that paid debt to society crap......do you think the person he raped looks at it like his debt has been paid?  That person gets to live with that for their entire life.

I agree that rape is just WRONG in a horrible way. My wife was abused by her ex years ago and still suffers the consequences. It's among the most violent of crimes.
However, I think it is not up to The dci to police on things happening outside their "jurisdiction" so to speak. I understand, now that his opponent tweeted about it and the whole thing exploded, he'll have a stigma on him that could (likely will) influence his position and the mood.
(Like if my wife were to meet him at a GP without prior knowledge he would be "just" an opponent. If she did, emotions would most likely have an adverse effect on her play. Even if she'd really want to beat him because of what he did, because that's how my wife would react, and I think how many people would.)


Tuning it down a notch, but along the same lines could I face the winner of the last Pro Tour at a match. Would I know who he was, it would affect my play, I'd be awed.

Another tone down: I found it a bit intimidating to take a seat as my opponent unfurled his judge promo playmat. (I asked and he confirmed he was a lvl 2 judge, did not help).

But my point is, knowing things about your opponent will affect your play.
Yes, in Jesse's case a big one, especially in the light of encouraging women.
However, looking at it from a sportsmanship perspective; his opponent tweeted this information knowing it would explode. Did he do this to throw Jesse off his game?? Because in that case, I find that unsportsmanlike behavior worthy of its own ban. Or would we like to get a pro-environment where such actions become common practice?
All-in-all, I just get a bad vibe from the mood set by all of this, and that's why I say: no ban, even though the severity of what he has done is in no way lessened by that.

Quote from: LinkCelestrial on July 03, 2015, 06:29:38 PM

What gives WotC the right to ban him? Unless I'm missing some facts this is premium bullshit. Yes he did something wrong, but it's not WotC job to enforce the law or decide if he does or doesn't deserve punishment.

If it's about smearing the name how about that WotC isn't giving him a chance and is condemning him for something he did 12 years ago! C'mon now.

I suppose they have the right to not want a convicted sex offender in their tournaments. They're 100% doing it for the PR. Banning his mtgo account was just odd to me however. They cited the "safety" of the community as a whole. And as a whole, people were fine with it.
Also to say there are children at tournaments and they're not safe because of him is ignorant, he's not a .loving. pedophile he sexually assaulted an 18 year old women when he was 18.

I used to think there was quite some social cohesion in our nice group of people who play magic. Even in big events. In such a way that people can feel safe, even if with convicted offenders.
Today I am saddened to hear, things are not actually changing for the better after 2012, as was foretold.... I see more bigotry, more manipulation, sometimes even in the guise of progress. It saddens me.

(Sorry if this seems off topic, but it's just the mood this gets me in tonight)

The Internet is the place  where one action is exaggerated at least 10 fold

Honestly if the guy had not tweeted about it how many people would have known? I find it down right rude of the opponent.  I don't think its my place to say if he should get banned or not. But i do beleive punishing someone.  But i do think his opponent should be in trouble because that is unsportmenlike.

How is it ignorant to not want children around convicted rapists?  Maybe he can watch your kids and play magic with them if you think my comment is ignorant. 

I think you kind of have to assume the worse when dealing with someone convicted of rape.  Even if he was 18 and she was 18 when it happend.  I would just assume he is still a creep that would take advantage of a girl around that age.

So magic should have background checks at GPs?

So magic should have background checks at GPs?

This. And why delete his Mtgo account? He can't do anything significant through the online game that could hurt the other player.

Quote from: MuggyWuggy on July 03, 2015, 09:43:49 PM

So magic should have background checks at GPs?

This. And why delete his Mtgo account? He can't do anything significant through the online game that could hurt the other player.

Have you ever seen to catch a predator

Quote from: particle on July 03, 2015, 10:31:19 PM

Quote from: MuggyWuggy on July 03, 2015, 09:43:49 PM

So magic should have background checks at GPs?

This. And why delete his Mtgo account? He can't do anything significant through the online game that could hurt the other player.

Have you ever seen to catch a predator

Was that a serious comment? Obviously the internet exists and he could use it in that way. But Mtgo in no way facilitates that.

Its not like he is a pedophile. It was two drunk 18 yearolds. He pled guilty cause he new what he did was wrong.  Well i am not on either side of the ban. Deleting his mtgp account is IMO wrong as they basicly took property from him, albeit digitally. (I know usage terms/conditions make it legal, what what is legal is not always right)

Easy fix. Don't rape someone and you won't be I this situation.

Quote from: Rass on July 03, 2015, 10:36:18 PM

Quote from: particle on July 03, 2015, 10:31:19 PM

Quote from: MuggyWuggy on July 03, 2015, 09:43:49 PM

So magic should have background checks at GPs?

This. And why delete his Mtgo account? He can't do anything significant through the online game that could hurt the other player.

Have you ever seen to catch a predator

Was that a serious comment? Obviously the internet exists and he could use it in that way. But Mtgo in no way facilitates that.

Yes it was. Mtgo can be used to do that. And they choose not to be a device for someone who may use it that way.

Quote from: particle on July 03, 2015, 10:51:37 PM

Quote from: Rass on July 03, 2015, 10:36:18 PM

Quote from: particle on July 03, 2015, 10:31:19 PM

Quote from: MuggyWuggy on July 03, 2015, 09:43:49 PM

So magic should have background checks at GPs?

This. And why delete his Mtgo account? He can't do anything significant through the online game that could hurt the other player.

Have you ever seen to catch a predator

Was that a serious comment? Obviously the internet exists and he could use it in that way. But Mtgo in no way facilitates that.

Yes it was. Mtgo can be used to do that. And they choose not to be a device for someone who may use it that way.

MTGO has chat right?
So there is possibility, agreed.

Easy fix. Don't rape someone and you won't be I this situation.

While don't rape is a good thing to go by, it still is a slippery slope.
What's next? Ban asscracks?
As I said before and keep saying, stick to mtg.
For me, all this sorta commotion is driving me further and further from competitive magic in general. I was considering judging once I would get the time. Now, I'm doubting I wanna be part of that scene, just like I wouldn't be an amateur soccer ref, due to abuse on that field.

Sorry Kay I really have to disagree with you. To compare asscrack to rape is really ignorant.

Yes rape can be a slippery slope but to that I say keep your self out of those slippery areas.

To plea bargain a deal really doesn't help me feel bad for him. I have a friend who is a public defendant. Trust me if your plea bargaining they have more then enough to get a conviction. So you plea to get a softer sentence.

I agree it sucks how it came about, but you have to own up to your past.

Let's get a little personal. If he raped your mom, wife, sister, or daughter your still okay with him playing?

Sorry Kay I really have to disagree with you. To compare asscrack to rape is really ignorant.

Yes rape can be a slippery slope but to that I say keep your self out of those slippery areas.

To plea bargain a deal really doesn't help me feel bad for him. I have a friend who is a public defendant. Trust me if your plea bargaining they have more then enough to get a conviction. So you plea to get a softer sentence.

I agree it sucks how it came about, but you have to own up to your past.

Let's get a little personal. If he raped your mom, wife, sister, or daughter your still okay with him playing?

I wasn't sure if you were trolling before but now I'm sure. If he has access to the internet then he has access to do bad things with it. But mtgo doesn't provide him more opportunities, just the same opportunities. And his victims identity is irrelevant. If if it was a close family member of mine, sure I'd never want to personally play against him but I wouldn't want him to never play anyone else ever again.

Gonna post Sam Blacks response to this since I agree with most of what he wrote.