Don't you just hate....?

[Piotr]

What we should do is fix the public schools...

How?

Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.

By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.

Try again, how?

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

What we should do is fix the public schools...

How?

Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.

By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.

Try again, how?

Yes, just take one idea and discard the others. Also I am not talking about capping salaries at $25,000 or something. I am saying like $50-60,000. That way we wouldn't have terrible teachers with tenure making $80-90,000/year.

[Apathy Reactor]

What we should do is fix the public schools...

How?

Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.

By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.

Try again, how?

we should remove standardized testing and multiple choice from the face of the planet, that's a start. Then we need lunch programs that serve food of all things. Then we need to buy every teacher a pair of prescription glasses and a hearing aid. It could work.

[Spikepit]

What we should do is fix the public schools...

How?

Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.

By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.

Try again, how?

Yes, just take one idea and discard the others. Also I am not talking about capping salaries at $25,000 or something. I am saying like $50-60,000. That way we wouldn't have terrible teachers with tenure making $80-90,000/year.

You know we don't just work the hours we're in the school grounds, right? Four words that isn't even the tip of why teachers are paid what they are: Reports, Marking, Programs, Excursions.

[Spikepit]

Conan, I hug you!

An analogy for those who don't understand 'the ladder'. When out at dinner, only the ignorant blame and yell at the waitress for their poor quality meal.

[Vileo]

I hate when there's no more OJ. I'm an OJ addict. Shut up. It's not like you need therapy for that... Right?

Pulp or no pulp?

Both. No pulp is more common in gallon containers, but I like some pulp normally.

[Steerpike]

What we should do is fix the public schools...

How?

Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.

By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.

Try again, how?

Yes, just take one idea and discard the others. Also I am not talking about capping salaries at $25,000 or something. I am saying like $50-60,000. That way we wouldn't have terrible teachers with tenure making $80-90,000/year.

The point of allowing high salaries to be given without a cap would ensure only competent people are given the job in the first place. Higher wages means an institution is much more selective of applicants and more bad teachers will be filtered out.

The number of terrible teachers with tenure is far smaller than the number of terrible teachers. Especially in the context of public schools.

I would suggest (addressing the original question) that the rise of teacher salaries will be proportional to a rise in test scores.

[Piotr]

What we should do is fix the public schools...

How?

Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.

By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.

Try again, how?

Yes, just take one idea and discard the others.

The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried and the result was the overall decrease of quality of education system. Why do you insist on implementing Socialism in America, ignoring 150 years of history proving it doesn't work? We tried that for you in Europe and it doesn't work.

[Piotr]

What we should do is fix the public schools...

How?

Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.

By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.

Try again, how?

Yes, just take one idea and discard the others.

The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried and the result was the overall decrease of quality of education system. Why do you insist on implementing Socialism in America, ignoring 150 years of history proving it doesn't work? We tried that for you in Europe and it doesn't work.

Yup, those shorter work weeks, better working conditions, and other improvements in the lives of everyday men and women sure was socialist trade unions failing

Not at all, those were byproduct of technological progress. Unions just slowed the inevitable. If you claim that unions gave those to us, you will be tried for lying on my forum. Do you claim that?

The only thing we as consumers and employees need is competition between producers and employers. Unions stifle that, proven by 150 years of history and solid science, Nobel prizes and all.

[Apathy Reactor]

What we should do is fix the public schools...

How?

Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.

By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.

Try again, how?

Yes, just take one idea and discard the others.

The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried and the result was the overall decrease of quality of education system. Why do you insist on implementing Socialism in America, ignoring 150 years of history proving it doesn't work? We tried that for you in Europe and it doesn't work.

Yup, those shorter work weeks, better working conditions, and other improvements in the lives of everyday men and women sure was socialist trade unions failing

improved conditions? in soviet Russia.. conditions improve YOU. sorry that was lame

[Apathy Reactor]

What we should do is fix the public schools...

How?

Well for one putting caps on teacher salaries.

By putting caps on teachers' salaries you will make sure that only dumb people, who are otherwise unable to find a proper job without salary cap, will end up as teachers.

Try again, how?

Yes, just take one idea and discard the others.

The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried and the result was the overall decrease of quality of education system. Why do you insist on implementing Socialism in America, ignoring 150 years of history proving it doesn't work? We tried that for you in Europe and it doesn't work.

Yup, those shorter work weeks, better working conditions, and other improvements in the lives of everyday men and women sure was socialist trade unions failing

Not at all, those were byproduct of technological progress. Unions just slowed the inevitable. If you claim that unions gave those to us, you will be tried for lying on my forum. Do you claim that?

The only thing we as consumers and employees need is competition between producers and employers. Unions stifle that, proven by 150 years of history and solid science, Nobel prizes and all.

I respectfully disagree. Consider the American labour union movement or the Irish Labour riots. Both of these pushed the issues of slums into the forefront and spawned the progressive movement in the states and action for the poor in Ireland.

Well during the industrial revolution, that didn't work too well for England, where all of the labor unions pushed for reforms and better conditions and more pay, and were denied and disbanded for their efforts. The only one that succeeded in the long run was the Chartist Movement, which wasn't even a labor union but a political movement. although it failed initially, all of the reforms that it pushed were enacted within 50 years. all of the trade and labor unions did nothing except fail strikes and eventually were prohibited from going on strike at all. labor union movements are most certainly not reliable.

[Agrus Kos, Enforcer of Truth]

The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried

...and as we all know if you try something a couple times and it doesn't work, completely abandon the idea and all related routes. To quote Daniel Tosh, "does everything have to be so black and white in this kindergarten country of ours?" I'm sure you have heard of Edison's quest to make a light bulb, it took over 10,000 attempts, but I bet if you look around your house, you will see he succeeded.

[Spencer Addington]

The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried

...and as we all know if you try something a couple times and it doesn't work, completely abandon the idea and all related routes. To quote Daniel Tosh, "does everything have to be so black and white in this kindergarten country of ours?" I'm sure you have heard of Edison's quest to make a light bulb, it took over 10,000 attempts, but I bet if you look around your house, you will see he succeeded.

He found 10,000 ways on how not to make a lightbulb. That's impressive if you ask me.

[Steerpike]

The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried

...and as we all know if you try something a couple times and it doesn't work, completely abandon the idea and all related routes.

By a couple of times he clearly referred to many many years.
So yes, of course you abandon it if it doesnt work

Making the lightbulb was a trial and error whose errors did not mean generations of poorly educated people

[Piotr]

The problem with your ideas it is that they all have been tried

...and as we all know if you try something a couple times and it doesn't work, completely abandon the idea and all related routes. To quote Daniel Tosh, "does everything have to be so black and white in this kindergarten country of ours?" I'm sure you have heard of Edison's quest to make a light bulb, it took over 10,000 attempts, but I bet if you look around your house, you will see he succeeded.

Moron is not a person who makes a silly mistake, moron is a person who makes the same mistake over and over again.
Socialism fails for a reason, well explained and logical. Reality proves that failure again and again.