Touchy subjects w Imink #1 origin of man

So we as humans are closest in relation with prime apes (according to the human genome) when the catholic and other christainanity religions say that god or a supreme being created us ( humans) in his image me not being particularly religious would like to know your thoughts on this. What is your opinion on evolution and things of that sort?

This should be a cool discussion. I don't think either a creationist or an evolutionist can prove their side to be right, considering that it all comes down to: there was nothing and then there was something. Either some being always existed and decided to make everything, or nothing just was like "hey, I'm tired of being nothing. Ima be something!", and started to evolve itself. Both ideas are crazy if you think about it.

You can squander all day on how we resemble apes, or how you found a piece of Noah's Ark in your back yard. But still there remains the ever-present question: how did nothing become something?

This should be a cool discussion. I don't think either a creationist or an evolutionist can prove their side to be right, considering that it all comes down to: there was nothing and then there was something. Either some being always existed and decided to make everything, or nothing just was like "hey, I'm tired of being nothing. Ima be something!", and started to evolve itself. Both ideas are crazy if you think about it.

You can squander all day on how we resemble apes, or how you found a piece of Noah's Ark in your back yard. But still there remains the ever-present question: how did nothing become something?

How do we know this? That either something was there and created everything, or that nothing always existed?

At which point did the something that always existed come to exist?

Exactly. Nobody knows. If you think the universe always existed, then you have to explain away time itself. If you think that there was nothing but then there was a creation or big bang, you have to explain what started it. That's why this will be interesting.

Exactly. Nobody knows. If you think the universe always existed, then you have to explain away time itself. If you think that there was nothing but then there was a creation or big bang, you have to explain what started it. That's why this will be interesting.

Well I'm not claiming to know. Creationists seem to have figured that bit out. I'm interested in hearing how they know this to be true.

Evolution exists, it's a thing that's occurred since the known formation of the universe, and has been verified repeatably by all sorts of empirical evidence. If it can be used to tell us the origins of the universe, who knows.

To have a creator of the universe one must have created him. If he always existed, then one is stating their belief in the Big Bang theory as well. The energy "always" existed by the same logic.

The bible says that the world was made in six days. But without the world and the sun in place, what is a day to a god? Couldn't it have really been the millions or billions of years that evolutionists claim it took and they are both right?

But still there remains the ever-present question: how did nothing become something?

Actually, Steven Hawking wrote a book about how the universe could have created itself from nothing (I haven't read it so don't ask me to explain, I just saw it on yahoo news a couple years ago)

For the people who believe god created man.  He (...) have made man THROUGH evolution.  Just sayin...

That is what I was told years ago when I was taught religion. I'm a trained Catholic.

For the people who believe god created man.  He could have made man THROUGH evolution.  Just sayin...

Doesn't that stand to contradict the book of genesis however? I mean, god literally created man. He didn't create a distant ancestor that man evolved from. I'm sorry to rain on the faiths here.

Quote from: Taysby on July 28, 2013, 12:22:08 AM

For the people who believe god created man.  He could have made man THROUGH evolution.  Just sayin...

Doesn't that stand to contradict the book of genesis however? I mean, god literally created man. He didn't create a distant ancestor that man evolved from. I'm sorry to rain on the faiths here.

Only atheists take Bible literally
Catholics certainly don't.

Quote from: Dudecore on July 28, 2013, 08:24:17 AM

Quote from: Taysby on July 28, 2013, 12:22:08 AM

For the people who believe god created man.  He could have made man THROUGH evolution.  Just sayin...

Doesn't that stand to contradict the book of genesis however? I mean, god literally created man. He didn't create a distant ancestor that man evolved from. I'm sorry to rain on the faiths here.

Only atheists take Bible literally
Catholics certainly don't.

When does one decide which parts are true, and which are false? I mean, if its one big fantasy novel - then it's kinda preachy and written rather poorly - right? God kind of explicitly states the bible is true, and his word, and everything in it must be adhered to.

It seems rather strange that believers wouldn't believe what their god said, instead pick and choose the lessons they want. No good reason to do either. Such action is not permitted in the bible.

I believe if you don't believe every word of the bible, and follow its every lesson then getting to heaven is futile. It says so in the bible.

I thought that Catholics believe that the bible is the word of god, sent to the authors.

This should be a cool discussion. I don't think either a creationist or an evolutionist can prove their side to be right, considering that it all comes down to: there was nothing and then there was something. Either some being always existed and decided to make everything, or nothing just was like "hey, I'm tired of being nothing. Ima be something!", and started to evolve itself. Both ideas are crazy if you think about it.

You can squander all day on how we resemble apes, or how you found a piece of Noah's Ark in your back yard. But still there remains the ever-present question: how did nothing become something?

Well, it has Been scientifically proven that things can't spontaneously exist. It'd be cool, like "Hey! I want a hot dog" and a sweating poodle would appear. I can't find a link, but I watched a video on it in 7th grade science class. In my opinion, I think there was always something, perhaps able to fit into a thimble, that just was like "BOOM" and expanded really quickly, causing the Big Bang. This is my opinion. I also think that there is more scientific evidence to prove god DOESN'T exist than to prove he does. Don't go -1ing me for this, but in my eyes god-worshippers of all religions are just worshipping the unproved belief that god is out there, and in arguments only say "God created blabedy blah blah!" And then the scientist says "Actually, blah blah ah blah created blabedy blah blah." And there is no scientific evidence to prove that heaven or hell do exist. Someone answer me this: if you think heaven is real, where is it?

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 27, 2013, 10:37:11 PM

This should be a cool discussion. I don't think either a creationist or an evolutionist can prove their side to be right, considering that it all comes down to: there was nothing and then there was something. Either some being always existed and decided to make everything, or nothing just was like "hey, I'm tired of being nothing. Ima be something!", and started to evolve itself. Both ideas are crazy if you think about it.

You can squander all day on how we resemble apes, or how you found a piece of Noah's Ark in your back yard. But still there remains the ever-present question: how did nothing become something?

Well, it has Been scientifically proven that things can't spontaneously exist. It'd be cool, like "Hey! I want a hot dog" and a sweating poodle would appear. I can't find a link, but I watched a video on it in 7th grade science class. In my opinion, I think there was always something, perhaps able to fit into a thimble, that just was like "BOOM" and expanded really quickly, causing the Big Bang. This is my opinion. I also think that there is more scientific evidence to prove god DOESN'T exist than to prove he does. Don't go -1ing me for this, but in my eyes god-worshippers of all religions are just worshipping the unproved belief that god is out there, and in arguments only say "God created blabedy blah blah!" And then the scientist says "Actually, blah blah ah blah created blabedy blah blah." And there is no scientific evidence to prove that heaven or hell do exist. Someone answer me this: if you think heaven is real, where is it?

Actually, modern theoretical physicists think that things are always spontaneously popping in and out of existence. They did an experiment and found that a vacuum, which by its definition is nothing, weighs something because of these particles. But I do think that there has always been something, like you said, and that the universe is in a constant cycle of contracting to a tiny dot and then expanding in an explosion only to be pulled back together by gravity, to expand again.

Quote from: Mlerner12 on July 28, 2013, 10:34:55 AM

Quote from: Coffee Vampire on July 27, 2013, 10:37:11 PM

This should be a cool discussion. I don't think either a creationist or an evolutionist can prove their side to be right, considering that it all comes down to: there was nothing and then there was something. Either some being always existed and decided to make everything, or nothing just was like "hey, I'm tired of being nothing. Ima be something!", and started to evolve itself. Both ideas are crazy if you think about it.

You can squander all day on how we resemble apes, or how you found a piece of Noah's Ark in your back yard. But still there remains the ever-present question: how did nothing become something?

Well, it has Been scientifically proven that things can't spontaneously exist. It'd be cool, like "Hey! I want a hot dog" and a sweating poodle would appear. I can't find a link, but I watched a video on it in 7th grade science class. In my opinion, I think there was always something, perhaps able to fit into a thimble, that just was like "BOOM" and expanded really quickly, causing the Big Bang. This is my opinion. I also think that there is more scientific evidence to prove god DOESN'T exist than to prove he does. Don't go -1ing me for this, but in my eyes god-worshippers of all religions are just worshipping the unproved belief that god is out there, and in arguments only say "God created blabedy blah blah!" And then the scientist says "Actually, blah blah ah blah created blabedy blah blah." And there is no scientific evidence to prove that heaven or hell do exist. Someone answer me this: if you think heaven is real, where is it?

Actually, modern theoretical physicists think that things are always spontaneously popping in and out of existence. They did an experiment and found that a vacuum, which by its definition is nothing, weighs something because of these particles. But I do think that there has always been something, like you said, and that the universe is in a constant cycle of contracting to a tiny dot and then expanding in an explosion only to be pulled back together by gravity, to expand again.

Hmm, guess I missed that. But my point still stands.