Enslaved Equipment

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Spikepit
Boss 100
October 21, 2011, 10:03:05 AM
If I were to Mind Control or Corrupted Conscience or Enslave (etc) an equipped creature, could I then reattach the equipment to another creature I control?



BlackJester
Boss 100
October 21, 2011, 12:42:02 PM
Nope. You gain control of their creature, but they retain control of the equipment/auras attached.  Interesting to note, if you steal a creature enchanted by Wreath of Geists, it would count the number of creatures in THEIR graveyard.



Spikepit
Boss 100
October 21, 2011, 07:21:31 PM
Cheers mate! I figured as much (I also just needed make to make a post in the rules section. The pedantic in me was freaking out that there was nothing in it 😂)



Phat Max
Boss 4
October 22, 2011, 04:59:38 PM
Lol, very nice :)

Yeah, you get the creature, but they still control all the stuff on it.



Mentonin
Boss 48
October 22, 2011, 05:13:29 PM
But would the equipment stay attached to the creature until re-attached or instantly unattached?



Phat Max
Boss 4
October 22, 2011, 05:16:48 PM
Until your opponent reattaches the equipment to something else, it will still be attached. :)



Springeralready
User 0
October 27, 2011, 12:50:50 PM
Is that true? I thought because your opponent's creatures are not legal targets for your equipment and visa versa, that the equipment "drops" from the creature, being that it is no longer a legal target. For example, if I give a creature that has Pacifism on it protection from white, does pacifism go to the gy?



Mentonin
Boss 48
October 27, 2011, 01:15:55 PM
It will stay on the creature i think. Enchants target only when cast, then they are not targeting anymore. A question: when u Mind Control a creature, will it come with sickness?



Kahciroz
Boss 0
October 27, 2011, 02:41:31 PM
Yes, a creature you played Mind Control on will have summoning sickness untill the beginning of your next turn.



MacUser001
Boss 0
October 27, 2011, 02:45:51 PM
A Pacifism will fall off if the creature is given pro white. I'm not sure what ruling exactly makes this happen but I was told this some time ago. Anyone is welcome to tell me otherwise and I'd like to know what rules back these up.



BlackJester
Boss 100
October 27, 2011, 04:07:26 PM
We're starting to get multiple topics in a single thread.  If you have a new question, please start a new thread with a descriptive name to help keep things organized.  :)

Equipping/Enchanting only targets in the beginning (though there are ways to enchant without targeting.  See Replenish. ) Once on the creature, it is no longer targeting that creature, just equipping/enchanting it. 

Protection prevents Damage, Enchanting/Equipping, Blocking, and Targeting (remember D.E.B.T. for short).   @Springeralready, notice the reminder text on Vulshok Battlemaster, he steals everyone's equipment, but they still control the equipment. Weird but true.



Mentonin
Boss 48
October 27, 2011, 05:08:52 PM
But they wont be able to equip it again until they can play a sorcery AND it will cost them precious mana;) so pacifism wont fall?



BlackJester
Boss 100
October 27, 2011, 05:39:09 PM
A) They can only equip on their turn at "sorcery speed"
B) They need to control a creature to move the equipment on.
C) Changing control won't affect Pacifism, but Pro:White will cause it to be put in the 'yard.



Spikepit
Boss 100
October 27, 2011, 09:33:47 PM
"Sorcery Speed" ... I likey!!!



Springeralready
User 0
October 28, 2011, 11:16:42 AM
Thanks for the clarifications. Good example creature too



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