Touchy Subjects #2: Abortion *NFSW

Lots of controversy going on with the recent thread.  It is quite an active one too.  So I am going to do what any chaotic loving person would do, and add more controversy to the mix.

Abortion.  Something about that word sets people on edge.  So I thought it would be best to have a whole thread on it.  So everyone have fun!  Don't neg people for expressing their opinion please!

I'm against Abortion. Extreme cases aside the popular crowd that gets abortions have been the teenage girls that acted on hormones and didnt use common sense. Even if the mother is unable to care for the child that's no excuse because a lot of couples out there are looking for a child to adopt.

Against. Abortion us, legally manslaughter in a way-- the killing of another human. Should Manu doctors then be arrested?

Imo it's not anyone else's right to choose other than the mother's. Nobody has any right to tell her that she must keep her baby, regardless of what religion you believe is correct.

As for the "you're killing a baby" thing, here goes.
"Is this acorn a tree?"
"No"
"Is this egg a chicken?"
"No"
"Is this fetus a human?"
"No, it's a fetus"

Until birth, the fetus is a fetus, nothing more.

I'm pro choice.

Imo it's not anyone else's right to choose other than the mother's. Nobody has any right to tell her that she must keep her baby, regardless of what religion you believe is correct.

As for the "you're killing a baby" thing, here goes.
"Is this acorn a tree?"
"No"
"Is this egg a chicken?"
"No"
"Is this fetus a human?"
"No, it's a fetus"

Until birth, the fetus is a fetus, nothing more.

I'm pro choice.

See that's where your comparing human life to the birds and beasts on earth. With that terminology if I were to kill a man over a woman I could just say heck deer do it all the time!

Abortion...  This subject is a fun one due to my friends at school who are pro abortion...  I am not.

If you are a teenage girl who got pregnant, whose fault is it that you are pregnant???  It can't be the churches because they are not giving you contraceptives (catholic church contraceptive bullshit that was enforced a few years ago), it isn't your parents fault.  It is, let me think...  OH! Your fault!  You didn't set precautionary measures for sex, it is your fault for not spending the money for quality contraceptives early, it is your fault for wanting unprotected sex.  So who would have thought you would have a baby when you didn't set those measures.  Did you think that you were to young to be affected (oh underaged sex will be another topic) then that is just so retarded.

If you are raped, sucks that there isn't anything you can turn to except for murdering this unborn child.  You know, nothing!  Except for the US adoption agency, Foster homes, Family that you can turn to, acually trying to raise the child.  But except for that, no options whatsoever.

Quote from: Slenderbro on July 18, 2013, 12:45:55 AM

Imo it's not anyone else's right to choose other than the mother's. Nobody has any right to tell her that she must keep her baby, regardless of what religion you believe is correct.

As for the "you're killing a baby" thing, here goes.
"Is this acorn a tree?"
"No"
"Is this egg a chicken?"
"No"
"Is this fetus a human?"
"No, it's a fetus"

Until birth, the fetus is a fetus, nothing more.

I'm pro choice.

See that's where your comparing human life to the birds and beasts on earth. With that terminology if I were to kill a man over a woman I could just say heck deer do it all the time!

You do realize humans are by definition animals yes?

So by that logic yes to your scenario, as almost same in any other species. It is the social discouragement that makes it not a good thing.

And the large repercussions in many countries...

It's standards that set is apart from other creatures on this earth we were created with higher thinking to know what is wrong and what is right. And a killing child is wrong any way you look at it. A fetus by definition is a still-developing human child. An acorn is a seed but if the stub of a tree was showing from the ground you'd say it was alive. An egg is a chamber for incubation. Within it a chick is forming.

Really i believe that if you had sex and knew that there was a possibility of having a child from it, go buy the god damn morning after pills.

If you cant afford it, dont be dumb and have sex yeah?

I agree, 3rd trimester abortions tend to be a walk on the moral tightrope, but i still think it should be the future mother's choice.

Quote from: Slenderbro on July 18, 2013, 01:01:17 AM

Quote from: ELLERfeller on July 18, 2013, 12:53:37 AM

Quote from: Slenderbro on July 18, 2013, 12:45:55 AM

Imo it's not anyone else's right to choose other than the mother's. Nobody has any right to tell her that she must keep her baby, regardless of what religion you believe is correct.

As for the "you're killing a baby" thing, here goes.
"Is this acorn a tree?"
"No"
"Is this egg a chicken?"
"No"
"Is this fetus a human?"
"No, it's a fetus"

Until birth, the fetus is a fetus, nothing more.

I'm pro choice.

See that's where your comparing human life to the birds and beasts on earth. With that terminology if I were to kill a man over a woman I could just say heck deer do it all the time!

You do realize humans are by definition animals yes?

So by that logic yes to your scenario, as almost same in any other species. It is the social discouragement that makes it not a good thing.

Biologically, humans are animals, as are most everything else.

However, lumping humans - thinking, learning, ever advancing, logical creatures - together with every other animal - which act solely upon instinct - is something I have always seen as a bit of a stretch.

Just some food for thought

I agree. There's just too much of a gap between humans and all other creatures to just have one solid category for us all.

Animalia? That's kinda the actual grouping that we're all in.

Have we developed a higher intelligence than most other animal on the planet? Yes

But we are all still animals and should be considered as such

"Humans have a knack for choosing precisely the things that are worst for them."

-Albus Dumbledore

But you see that's the broadest category possible. There are thousands of sub-category's and sub-category's for those all pointing that we should not be lumped together with your run of the mill creatures. We have been given so much more to work with to squander it by saying hey I'm just like that turtle so I should leave my child on the beach till it finds it's way to the sea. No we don't abandon our young and we don't kill them in the womb. What animal does that?

"Humans have a knack for choosing precisely the things that are worst for them."

-Albus Dumbledore

Who knew, you really can bring Harry Potter into everything.