Touchy Subjects #1: Gay Marriage *NFSW

So I put words into your mouth just like you put words in my mouth.

For the record, I don't care if someone is gay. I have my own opinions on the subject and if anyone wants to know, you can PM me. I'm keeping them off of public forums for the time being.

My whole argument in this thread was that anyone can do, say, think, and act how they want. That is your natural born right. It doesn't mean there is no such thing as right or wrong, however, and it doesn't mean there won't be consequences for saying or doing something stupid.

I agree with mikefrompluto people should be able to think act and do as they please as long as its not hurting someone

"Judge not lest ye be judged." So as long as you keep in mind that your judgement is a double edged sword it's actually your right to hold others accountable.

Quote from: Piotr on July 17, 2013, 04:51:35 PM

Quote from: NightWolf on July 17, 2013, 03:33:32 PM

Why? What's the point of that? Who gave us the right to judge other people? As far as I know no one did.

Common sense.

So it's common sense to discriminate?

It is common sense to judge people on appearances.

As an example, it would be unwise to treat equally someone who looks like a priest, someone who looks like a Goth, someone who looks like a sexual deviant, someone who looks like Jew. It wouldn't make much sense.

Incorrect sir. I never said they were bad people or I would treat them differently. I merely disagree with their opinion like they disagree with mine. It's one thing to disagree another to be discriminatory because you disagree.

Some lolz that one gave me. When yo do it, its merely disagreeing, when I do it its discriminating. Moral relativity or just hypocrisy?

Quote from: NightWolf on July 17, 2013, 08:08:44 PM

Incorrect sir. I never said they were bad people or I would treat them differently. I merely disagree with their opinion like they disagree with mine. It's one thing to disagree another to be discriminatory because you disagree.

Some lolz that one gave me. When yo do it, its merely disagreeing, when I do it its discriminating. Moral relativity or just hypocrisy?

I'm not judging you on your opinion though. Not in the least. You disagree with me and that's your beliefs. I'm not going to think less of you because of that.

When I hear stupid things from people, I think less of them. It would be unwise to do otherwise. Common sense.

I disagree. I try not to judge anyone I don't know. (We all know as a human being I'm still guilty of judging) I think this had deviated from the original argument though. I appreciated the banter thank you good sir.

Despite the fact that marriage exists - which is stupid: people should create their own contracts. "Marriage" is a strictly religious thing, they have the right to deny whomever they'd like. That doesn't mean the state shouldn't allow equal protection under the law for gay couples.

While I feel religious groups are misguided on what is actually at stake, and would prefer they use their resouces helping people in need, the pageantry and ancient marriage ceremony is easy enough to replicate without being officially endorsed. Unless you believe that whole "blessed before god" non-sense, which no one has any good reason to.

Marriage isn't for family raising. Plenty of people raise families unmarried, plenty get married and never raise families. it is certainly advantageous to be married, incase you die, want to jointly file taxes together, have other tax deductions. It's not the governments place to be withholding the rights of citizens based on nothing but a poorly written contract.

it is certainly advantageous to be married, incase you die, want to jointly file taxes together, have other tax deductions.

Funny enough, in the UK the opposite is true, it is generally much more advantageous to be single mother living with a fake non-husband. Just shows how .loved. up the current laws are. Also, I'm disappointed I couldn't give you the 200. Gratz!

I disagree. I try not to judge anyone I don't know.

What you are arguing is political correctness at the top of its stupidity. There's nothing wrong with judging people, as long as you are correct in your judgement. I know people by what I hear from them, by what I see them doing. The more I observe them, the more accurate my judgement is, but I will judge you from the very first sentence I hear from you.

Two things Dudecore.

1. We help people frequently.  The church that I go to, and many others around it, is active.  We do many mission trips, some that build houses for the people that aren't quite getting by.  We go donate many times to many know offerings, and quite a few not so much known.  We also have missionaries that go to places like Afghanistan, to teach the word of God.  Saying we don't help people is wrong.

2. Congrats on getting to 200 karma Dudecore

Quote from: NightWolf on July 18, 2013, 09:05:34 AM

I disagree. I try not to judge anyone I don't know.

What you are arguing is political correctness at the top of its stupidity. There's nothing wrong with judging people, as long as you are correct in your judgement. I know people by what I hear from them, by what I see them doing. The more I observe them, the more accurate my judgement is, but I will judge you from the very first sentence I hear from you.

I think the problem with bias isn't in how we judge or analyze (I agree with Piotr in that it is wise to make assumptions about people based on prior experience). I feel that the problem with bias lies in refusing to adapt our views based on a spirit of inquisitiveness. In addition to this, regardless of how well our views align, it is infinitely important that we seek to preserve the dignity and wellbeing of others. I can disagree with anything being said here today but the only instance where it is permissible to harm the well being and dignity of another is where they try to do it first.

Thank you for all of the 200 karma wishes. It's 90% Piotr and Mikefrompluto who got me to it. But thanks everyone else.

Actually marriage was originally created as official ownership of the wife, who was essentially nothing more than property at the time. Marriage and its definition has changed a LOT since it was made in 'ye olde days.'