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DownMay 08, 2013, 05:12:07 PM
Anyone that votes UKIP needs their head examined as they would be disasterous for the UK and truly not understand their agenda.I feel very sorry Pitor as it seems you have not learnt anything in your life.
I find the above statements bigoted, false and personally insulting. Could you apologise, please?
I apologise for your head examined but not my views on UKIP which is a camouflaged right wing party with awful members representing it.
Quite right about your life experience as I do not know you so will apologise for that and can I have an apology for calling me mad please 😁
'You mad bro' is an idiom: www.urbandic.....mad%20bro%3F not an insult
UKIP is an openly right wing party, the very opposite of BNP which is on the left, as I have proven with appropriate statements from their own manifesto.
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May 08, 2013, 05:13:15 PM
Heh ok, one source of ideology, same herd...
Honestly I would let them to show themselves... People would be rioting in couple of months...
The thing is that after all that happened in 20th century, 2nd ww, 40 yrs of communism in the eastern block of europe noone can be fooled anymore... Even during the so called economy crisis...
How come people elect socialists to power, then?
May 08, 2013, 05:53:04 PM
Heh ok, one source of ideology, same herd...
Honestly I would let them to show themselves... People would be rioting in couple of months...
The thing is that after all that happened in 20th century, 2nd ww, 40 yrs of communism in the eastern block of europe noone can be fooled anymore... Even during the so called economy crisis...
How come people elect socialists to power, then?
The same way how it happened in 20th and 30th of last century... Make people to starve... Give them charismatic, populistic, and manipulative leader... If it would be done in right ( read correct
)way then most of middle-class would elect his party...May 08, 2013, 06:01:15 PM
Keep telling yourself BNP is left 😀😀😀at least I had a laugh at that!!!
It is customary in debates amongst respectable adults to refute each other arguments using logic and facts rather than laugh at them like little children. This is what we aspire to in debates on Gathering. I find your behaviour far from appropriate here, sir, maybe you should move back to the Guardian forums?
May 08, 2013, 06:04:15 PM
Heh ok, one source of ideology, same herd...
Honestly I would let them to show themselves... People would be rioting in couple of months...
The thing is that after all that happened in 20th century, 2nd ww, 40 yrs of communism in the eastern block of europe noone can be fooled anymore... Even during the so called economy crisis...
How come people elect socialists to power, then?
The same way how it happened in 20th and 30th of last century... Make people to starve... Give them charismatic, populistic, and manipulative leader... If it would be done in right ( read correct
People are electing socialists to power in Europe, on an off, for the last 50 years. Obama is a socialist and he is elected POTUS. True, they are not national socialists, but they still steal
May 08, 2013, 06:08:48 PM
Keep telling yourself BNP is left 😀😀😀at least I had a laugh at that!!!
In fact if those quotes that Piotr posted here are really from their manifesto then that party is not right wing but left wing of politic spectrum... At least their ideology is...
I was always wondering why nacionalists are called as a ultra-right... Because the promises and ideology is left winged... Only the ways and tools how to accomplish that are right winged....
Last Edit: May 08, 2013, 06:10:41 PM by whitedrake
May 08, 2013, 06:15:33 PM
Heh ok, one source of ideology, same herd...
Honestly I would let them to show themselves... People would be rioting in couple of months...
The thing is that after all that happened in 20th century, 2nd ww, 40 yrs of communism in the eastern block of europe noone can be fooled anymore... Even during the so called economy crisis...
How come people elect socialists to power, then?
The same way how it happened in 20th and 30th of last century... Make people to starve... Give them charismatic, populistic, and manipulative leader... If it would be done in right ( read correct
People are electing socialists to power in Europe, on an off, for the last 50 years. Obama is a socialist and he is elected POTUS. True, they are not national socialists, but they still steal
Oh socialists in Norway do not steal... Honestly they are making quite good job... But they have all those weird ideas like that they canceled Anti-begging law... And now is Oslo flooded by beggars from Romania and Bulgaria... I am not Xenophobe or racist if they would come because of work I would not have problem with them at all... But to come only because they are begging on the street???
May 08, 2013, 06:20:42 PM
Keep telling yourself BNP is left 😀😀😀at least I had a laugh at that!!!
In fact if those quotes that Piotr posted here are really from their manifesto then that party is not right wing but left wing of politic spectrum... At least their ideology is...
I copy pasted it from here: www.bnp.org......es/economics and here: www.bnp.org......sing-welfare and there's more if you want to waste your time reading this poo.
I was always wondering why nacionalists are called as a ultra-right... Because the promises and ideology is left winged... Only the ways and tools how to accomplish that are right winged....
They are called ultra-right by the left, for obvious reasons: they do not want to be associated with them. This is a lie, national socialists are left wing both in their ideology and their methods. It was communist Lenin who started murdering millions, his socialist buddy Hitler added a few, then their buddy Stalin had his turn, then their pupil Pol-Pot added a few... Goal justifies the means, they say.
May 08, 2013, 06:24:31 PM
Oh socialists in Norway do not steal... Honestly they are making quite good job... But they have all those weird ideas like that they canceled Anti-begging law... And now is Oslo flooded by beggars from Romania and Bulgaria... I am not Xenophobe or racist if they would come because of work I would not have problem with them at all... But to come only because they are begging on the street???
All socialists steal, by definition of socialism: they forcefully take wealth from the rich and give it to the poor, they say. I say they steal from working class and give it to bankers, themselves and to needy class, don't they?
May 08, 2013, 06:39:12 PM
Oh socialists in Norway do not steal... Honestly they are making quite good job... But they have all those weird ideas like that they canceled Anti-begging law... And now is Oslo flooded by beggars from Romania and Bulgaria... I am not Xenophobe or racist if they would come because of work I would not have problem with them at all... But to come only because they are begging on the street???
All socialists steal, by definition of socialism: they forcefully take wealth from the rich and give it to the poor, they say. I say they steal from working class and give it to bankers, themselves and to needy class, don't they?
Mhmm would not say so but economic situation in Norway is a little different from the rest of europian countries...
They do not need to steal...
May 08, 2013, 07:22:53 PM
Mhmm would not say so but economic situation in Norway is a little different from the rest of europian countries...
They do not need to steal...
Forced taxation on labour, known as income tax, is stealing in my book. I live by iMtG Law
May 09, 2013, 06:43:34 AM
sir, maybe you should move back to the Guardian forums?
Well it looks you came straight from the Daily mail forum. If I find something amusing about what you said then I will laugh. It is not disrespectful it is called a sense of humor. Plus still waiting for an apology 😢
I do not find it funny when people accuse me of being immature and then behave immaturely themselves, in a an obviously serious debate.
You have been found guilty of insulting me, you apologised so the restitution part of your punishment is done. I will stick a 'Bozo' label* on you for a week as the retribution part, you will be not guilty after that.
I do not feel an apology from my side is required, please open a case with one of the moderators if you do.
* pending some development work.
May 09, 2013, 07:42:37 AM
Logic and facts are the only things which have place in a serious debate, unfortunately you are not providing any.May 09, 2013, 07:54:31 AM
I'll butt in for a moment just to say that you cannot have a strong argument if you don't separate emotion from fact. One fundamentally undermines the other.sir, maybe you should move back to the Guardian forums?
Well it looks you came straight from the Daily mail forum. If I find something amusing about what you said then I will laugh. It is not disrespectful it is called a sense of humor. Plus still waiting for an apology 😢
I do not find it funny when people accuse me of being immature and then behave immaturely themselves, in a an obviously serious debate.
You have been found guilty of insulting me, you apologised so the restitution part of your punishment is done. I will stick a 'Bozo' label* on you for a week as the retribution part, you will be not guilty after that.
I do not feel an apology from my side is required, please open a case with one of the moderators if you do.
* pending some development work.
Ha ha ha label me with whatever you want as I'm not a child and emotionally stable 😃
That you are so easily offended by people who question your views I'm amazed you actually do want to debate. Applying logic and facts in a Mr Spock manner is only part of it and appears you lack the social ability to see that as you don't know the representaives of the parties concerned and mood of the people. I wasn't actually offended by "you mad bro" just wanted to see your reaction which unfortunately is a disappointing one. Oh and Daily mail forum for you was a bit polite as what you have written definitely labels you as a Sun reader. 😘
May 09, 2013, 11:18:17 AM
Logic and facts are the only things which have place in a serious debate, unfortunately you are not providing any.
Then you have not been using logic. If you are a UK resident then it is widely accepted that BNP is a far right organisation widely affiliated with other such organisations. UKIP is not openly right wing party as you suggest which is in poor taste. The representatives of UKIP have been found to have extremely distasteful xenophobic, homophobic views. The fact that you're polish and voting for UKIP is even funnier as if you look at their members a lot wanted nothing at all to do with Eastern Europe. Taking any parties policy as gospel is foolish as you also have to look at the driving force behind it as well. 😘
I am using logic: truth is determined by objective facts, not by number of people believing in it. You can believe all you want that Earth is flat and the Cosmos evolves around it, but it takes a few simple facts to prove that thesis wrong. You can believe all you want that BNP is right wing, and millions of others with you, but it takes just a few statements from BNP manifesto to see that they are left, which I did and all you had to say about it is that I'm funny.
What representatives of UKIP do in their free time is their own problem, what is interesting to me is that they openly advertise themselves as right wing:
"The Party is a democratic, libertarian Party and will espouse policies which:
(...)
seek to diminish the role of the State;
lower the burden of taxation on individuals and businesses;"
This is from the UKIP Constitution, available publicly on their web page.
What you are doing is spreading false propaganda* on my forum and frankly I wont have that, this is your last warning.
* defined as spreading false information based on emotional view of the world not on logic and facts.
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