Boyesrobert/Therobsta12 *PLEASE READ*

[Keyeto]

Thank you Cal and Kareason. The mixup is a little concerning, if you're okay with it, then I suppose its fine.

Now, under iMtG Law: no victim, no crime. Without a crime, there's no need for punishment. The next thing I would like to do is determine victims. Any punishment is going to be held off until everyone gets their cards (as I'm sure this will influence who feels victimized), but nonetheless I'd like to get this wrapped up as soon as possible.

Cal and Kareason: Based on your responses, am incorrect in assuming you do not feel victimized by Therobsta's actions?

To those who havent received their cards yet, i would also appreciate your input. Whether or not you feel like a victim will determine what happens here. You may post on this thread, or pm me if you want to keep it private. Either way, I'd like to know how you guys feel about all this.

Thank you all for your continued cooperation!

[Kareason]

Was I happy with the whole situation? Nope. But I'm a big fan of trying to let people overcome mistakes when they show a real attempt to make right. I am holding no grudge nor reservation about a future trade possibility. I have told him this as well. As I said, clean slate. He is offering to self-impose an "I send first" probation. Good enough for me.

[Cal8301]

Was I happy with the whole situation? Nope. But I'm a big fan of trying to let people overcome mistakes when they show a real attempt to make right. I am holding no grudge nor reservation about a future trade possibility. I have told him this as well. As I said, clean slate. He is offering to self-impose an "I send first" probation. Good enough for me.

I'm not happy abought not getting the stuff we agreed to but he didn't rip me off. so would I trade with him again? the answer is no, but I'm cool with the send first probation being enforced other than that I don't see a need for any other action till others feel safe with sending him stuff again.

[Moneekahh]

I did not have any dealings with this user personally. I do find it highly suspicious that he claimed to be a "new" guy on more than one thread, which was a blatant lie. I would not trade with this user under any circumstance because I do not encourage dishonesty in this community.

[Kareason]

I did not have any dealings with this user personally. I do find it highly suspicious that he claimed to be a "new" guy on more than one thread, which was a blatant lie. I would not trade with this user under any circumstance because I do not encourage dishonesty in this community.

I didn't see any claim of that on his part but then again I am flashing on/off the boards due to a busy life right now so I might have missed it.

I agree with discouraging dishonesty. That is why I think the "send first" condition is fair. It puts no one in the position to lose stuff.

[MisterJH]

I did not have any dealings with this user personally. I do find it highly suspicious that he claimed to be a "new" guy on more than one thread, which was a blatant lie. I would not trade with this user under any circumstance because I do not encourage dishonesty in this community.

I didn't see any claim of that on his part but then again I am flashing on/off the boards due to a busy life right now so I might have missed it.

I agree with discouraging dishonesty. That is why I think the "send first" condition is fair. It puts no one in the position to lose stuff.

He did post up as a 'new guy' before his ip address was looked up.

[Kareason]

I did not have any dealings with this user personally. I do find it highly suspicious that he claimed to be a "new" guy on more than one thread, which was a blatant lie. I would not trade with this user under any circumstance because I do not encourage dishonesty in this community.

I didn't see any claim of that on his part but then again I am flashing on/off the boards due to a busy life right now so I might have missed it.

I agree with discouraging dishonesty. That is why I think the "send first" condition is fair. It puts no one in the position to lose stuff.

He did post up as a 'new guy' before his ip address was looked up.

Then I stand corrected.

[Wackaman9001]

I recieved today(first chance I had to check mail), slightly different but was still fair enough in value

[Cal8301]

I recieved today(first chance I had to check mail), slightly different but was still fair enough in value

What was the original trade and what did u actually get.

[Wackaman9001]

Instead of one of the {dreadbores}, he sent a {dragonskull summit} and a dollar. I'm not upset, just noting it was different

[Cal8301]

Instead of one of the {dreadbores}, he sent a {dragonskull summit} and a dollar. I'm not upset, just noting it was different

Ok so I'm starting to see a patern here I think it was a good call on the mods this guy was up to something and I think he got spoked b4 he went through with it. As a steady trader I would make him send first for as long as he is on this site.

[Cal8301]

Anybody who has pending trades with this user please post here. This user has been identified as untrustworthy and seemingly made their second account (Therobsta12) as a fallback to get people's trust as a "new guy". Punishment is to be dealt, but we are not going to do so until interactions with the rest of the community has been confirmed as cut off. We ask that you hold off any trades with this user. If you have any interactions with this user(s) please post here, so we can figure out how to deal with this situation properly.

I think we all owe keyeto a big thanks for being on top of this cause I think it's want stopped us from getting ripped off.

[Keyeto]

Anybody who has pending trades with this user please post here. This user has been identified as untrustworthy and seemingly made their second account (Therobsta12) as a fallback to get people's trust as a "new guy". Punishment is to be dealt, but we are not going to do so until interactions with the rest of the community has been confirmed as cut off. We ask that you hold off any trades with this user. If you have any interactions with this user(s) please post here, so we can figure out how to deal with this situation properly.

I think we all owe keyeto a big thanks for being on top of this cause I think it's want stopped us from getting ripped off.

Thanks Cal, I really appreciate it. I'm just trying to do my part in keeping the community happy and safe.

As for making him permanently send first I have one problem with this: It makes him a really easy target for people to steal his cards.

Of course, at the moment he is imposing a "I will send first" policy on himself, which is fine. If he is innocent here (which as people are mostly getting their trades, it would seem), then forcing him to send first would make it real easy for scammers to just drop by and steal his cards. While I think punishment should be enacted, I don't think making him a sitting duck is the right way to go.

Maybe making his trades public, and having one at a time would be a better way to go, or something to that effect.

As of right now, I believe he is sending first, and until we can figure out the depth of what all has happened, his send first policy will do. Again, we still have one or two trades (I believe) that are still waiting to be completed, so we'll wait and see how it goes.

Once everything is done, I will talk with the other mods, and based on that, plus the input of the community, we will decide on an appropriate punishment for what has happened here. I apologize if it seems like its taking a while, but I do not want to dish out punishment without knowing everything that happened (since there are still pending trades).

[Mikefrompluto]

Im still waiting on a trade from him. It was finalized on April 8th and I have not gotten his end yet.

[Rass]

Instead of one of the {dreadbores}, he sent a {dragonskull summit} and a dollar. I'm not upset, just noting it was different

Lol and a dollar